Industrial scale fossil fuel boilers are much more efficient than a car engine thoguh.
Breakthrough promises $1.50/ gallon synthetic gasoline, no carbon emissions
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Industrial scale fossil fuel boilers are much more efficient than a car engine thoguh.
If it is true the lab will be sabotaged rather quick.
or more likely given a **** ton of money to buy the process/product/all research by oil companies so they can go on doing exactly what they're doing now to sell to industry and making this fuel for transport so they don't have to waste so much money on expensive drilling and exploration.
If it works and if it can be produced cheaply on an industrial scale and isn't all publicity stunt to gain extra funds as the research has stalled.
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It can be done when needed, just the costs are that much higher. The method the Germans used in WW2 (as allies were cutting their supply lines IIRC and they had lots of coal) was called the Fischer-Tropsch process.
It's not efficient as you need hydrogen to be generated, as well as carbon monoxide. You can't just pluck enough of it out of the air, so they have to be processed too.
The key to sustainability is a cheap, unlimited source of electricity. That will be solar power. It's the only source of energy that has the potential to meet the world's growing energy demands.
iirc someone worked out that the average solar panel will just about generate enough energy to equal the amount it took to make the thing (including the mining, processing and transporting of materials) over it's life time.
Nope, I'm just dreaming about cheaper fuel prices.
Government will hammer the fuel to within an inch of its life, and i do laugh at the man who thinks all his hard earned fuel tax goes to the up keep of our fine highway system.
The obscene amount of tax we pay on anything and everything is handled badly, distributed poorly and in some cases abused. before the tax issue on any fuel is resolved these problems need to be fixed. the likelihood of this is minimal though, as a country we really dont change much if at all.
the way foreword is a global initiative between the largest and wealthiest country's, not a global think tank, a genuine scientific and exploitative project funded by the participating party's, America, great Britain, Germany, France etc, if a small lab can develop a tech like this that if true will yield such premises there obviously isn't enough work being done internationally. this would make it harder for oil company's to put a spanner in the works of anything remotely promising.
The obscene amount of tax we pay on anything and everything is handled badly, distributed poorly and in some cases abused. before the tax issue on any fuel is resolved these problems need to be fixed. the likelihood of this is minimal though, as a country we really dont change much if at all.
the way foreword is a global initiative between the largest and wealthiest country's, not a global think tank, a genuine scientific and exploitative project funded by the participating party's, America, great Britain, Germany, France etc, if a small lab can develop a tech like this that if true will yield such premises there obviously isn't enough work being done internationally. this would make it harder for oil company's to put a spanner in the works of anything remotely promising.
With our current technology and manufacturing, that doesn't surprise me. There are much more efficient ways to capture solar energy in the pipeline, more investment is needed. If production is ramped up, it should work out cheaper and much more efficient. In fact, the main challenge is energy storage.
Ever thought the reaction used to produce this utilizes catalysts and energy / heat conservation to achieve a very small energy input to sustain the reaction?
True hydrogen is difficult to transport, but this is synthetic petrol/fuel, not hydrogen gas.
Does seem too good to be true however..
True hydrogen is difficult to transport, but this is synthetic petrol/fuel, not hydrogen gas.
Does seem too good to be true however..
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While the oil industry still holds the world to ransom little if anything will get done to develop future energy sources.
I am sure if they funnelled billions into projects like these we would all be using hydrogen powered vehicles by now.
I am sure if they funnelled billions into projects like these we would all be using hydrogen powered vehicles by now.
Pretty much what I thought too, it's a hydrogen based fuel, it doesn't say hydrogen needs to be produced to make the fuel. I guess in the same way charcoal is a carbon based fuel but it doesn't mean we need to make pure carbon to manufacture charcoal.
I'm also pretty sure the scientists at the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory if the fuel was made from pure extracted hydrogen would already know that producing pure hydrogen is expensive and factored it into their sums.
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I dare say the big oil companies are already investing billions in to the technology, so when we truly run out of oil they'll be waiting in the wings.
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Would it not make more sense to develop a new source of fuel and make it readily available before we run out oil though. Financially maybe not I know but morally it does.
they have.
You think they're just going to go "well lads we passed up the opportunity to be even richer and now oils running low we've got no products and are going bust, but at least we stayed true to our evil yet goalless roots".
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....which is exactly why we should all be driving V8s/10s/12s.
The faster we burn up the fossil fuels, the more panic and thus the more cash will be thrown into research of alternatives.
So, any government genuinely concerned for the environment should make petrol as cheap as possible.
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Well, im doing my bit. 90k in the last 3 years in my V8....