gtx560 or 6950?

[413x]

maybe im not so disappointed with the 6950 flash to stock 6970 shaders and clocks looking at these benchmarks

ive been playing on metro [its a new game for me] on my monitors native 2560x1440 and its struggling a bit on whatever default settings are for HIGH

i must admit a lot of settings on this game ive never seen before, i find it only just playable at this res on high, dont know what others are getting

 

[KiiYzOo]

does the vtx3d 6950 have a backplate?

 

[tommybhoy]

I'm all for sensible discussion, but the problem is the way you are "discussing" is twisting what people are saying

I said " comparing to the the speed of the GPU, impact of 1GB's lesser frame buffer vs 2GB's on frame rate is not that significant at 1920 res or lower with 4xAA", and you twisted it to accuse me of meaning "frame buffer 'don't matter'".

I'm not trying to twist anything, what I took out of your comment is that you are implying that the extra 1gb of ram is doing nothing at 1920 res. If you stop and think about your 4x aa argument, remember aa goes past 4, super-sample aa can be aplied and 16x af can be applied too, I try and max out every game I play that my PC can handle. If I can, I try and max out Catalyst AI in older titles too, which in both cases the extra 1gb will be helping.

And in case you don't notice, the OP is current only on 1680 res,

It's not me the op asked if they new the res.

as I said before he would be better off using his existing GTX460 768MB and overclock it to use it for now, and try to hold out until near the end of the year for the 28nm cards. However, if he go and upgrade his monitor like tomorrow or very soon, then he can THEN consider whether to go GTX560 or 6950 2GB.

I know op is 15, are you his dad? Does OP need your permision to upgrade?

As OP has said

I do think it's worth the upgrade

Also, your example of you moving from 5870 1GB to the 6970 2GB and very happy about it...do you not realise over 90% of the performance boost comes from the faster and improved GPU architecture, while only less than a few % of the performance increase actually comes from the increased frame buffer? Take comparing GTX460 2GB vs 5850 1GB for example...the extra frame buffer on the GTX460 2GB won't make it faster than a 5850 1GB for standard settings like at 1920 res 4xAA. That's the point I've been making all along, not your twisted version of "frame buffer don't matter".

I am under no illusion that only the extra 1gb ram gives out the extra performance.
As I have said before I have first hand experience going from 5870 to unlocked 6970, baffling yet you still know better about the 6950 even though you do not use one.

 

[KiiYzOo]

You make very good points there
would I be able to completely max out most if not all current and upcoming games?

 

[Marine-RX179]

I'm not gonna waste anymore of my time on tommybhoy, as he clearly lacks reading comprehension skill.

>KiiYzOo
I'm not the only one who thinks the GTX460 768MB would be more than enough for your current res, and you don't really 'need' a faster card until you up your res. GTX460 768MB would have no problem maxing out majority of the games at your current res, and you would hardly notice the extra speed of GTX560/6950 over the GTX460 768MB until you get a higher res monitor, or unless Crysis and Metro2033 is all you play.

would I be able to completely max out most if not all current and upcoming games?

Are you refering to your GTX460 768 at 1680 res, or GTX570/6950 2GB at 1920 res?

I already answered if it's regarding the GTX460 768MB, as for 1920 res, even overclocked GTX460 1GB/6850 would max out almost all current titles, bar Crysis and Metro2033.

As for how demanding upcoming titles are, nobody would be able to give you a reliable confirmation until some benchmark or demo is available. Until then, it is all just guessing game and one person's guess is not more reliable than the other. Rather than playing the guessing game and upgrade the graphic card now, why not upgrade when your current card is really not up to it in the games you play? It only takes average 1-2 days for the card to reach your door after you place the order

If you are rich and blowing money don't matter to you, then sure you can just upgrade everytime a faster next gen card is out. But if your funding is limited, upgrading graphic now would mean you would most likely won't have enough money by the end of the year for upgrading to the next gen card.

For all we know the 28nm process next gen card could be much faster than the current range cards (it's not unlikely considering this gen card is just a stop-gap generation with the 32nm process got skipped, and the cards are not really hugely faster than the previous gen i.e. 6950 is only around as fast as 5870, 6970 is only around as fast as GTX480, GTX580 on the same clock as GTX480 is only around 6% faster, and moving onto new process in the pass has always seen huge performance gain).

 

[tommybhoy]

You make very good points there
would I be able to completely max out most if not all current and upcoming games?

Upcoming games/pass, who knows.
Bare in mind these games are on 1920 res with a c2 [email protected]/8g ram/6950/70/98gt for hybrid phys-x(which you could use your 460 for dedicated physx whether you go amd/nvidia if you don't sell it). My PC won't max out the likes of metro, it can play very nicely all settings on max inc physx but no DOF as it kills my fps at times. It does a fantastic job with Crysis although there are some dips in fps.

Crysis Warhead fares better though.
You can max out draw distance etc in GTA 4 with the extra vram.
ME 2 looks lovely with ccc ai set to max.
MOH, Batman, COD BO, Stalker cop all look the part too.
I presume your i3 setup may produce better fps than mine too but Marine will probably say I'm talking boll#cks anyway and correct me whether I'm right or wrong.

I'm not gonna waste anymore of my time on tommybhoy, as he clearly lacks reading comprehension skill.
>KiiYzOo
I'm not the only one who thinks the GTX460 768MB would be more than enough for your current res, and you don't really 'need' a faster card until you up your res. GTX460 768MB would have no problem maxing out majority of the games at your current res, and you would hardly notice the extra speed of GTX560/6950 over the GTX460 768MB until you get a higher res monitor, or unless Crysis and Metro2033 is all you play.


Are you refering to your GTX460 768 at 1680 res, or GTX570/6950 2GB at 1920 res?

I already answered if it's regarding the GTX460 768MB, as for 1920 res, even overclocked GTX460 1GB/6850 would max out almost all current titles, bar Crysis and Metro2033.

As for how demanding upcoming titles are, nobody would be able to give you a reliable confirmation until some benchmark or demo is available. Until then, it is all just guessing game and one person's guess is not more reliable than the other. Rather than playing the guessing game and upgrade the graphic card now, why not upgrade when your current card is really not up to it in the games you play? It only takes average 1-2 days for the card to reach your door after you place the order

If you are rich and blowing money don't matter to you, then sure you can just upgrade everytime a faster next gen card is out. But if your funding is limited, upgrading graphic now would mean you would most likely won't have enough money by the end of the year for upgrading to the next gen card.

For all we know the 28nm process next gen card could be much faster than the current range cards (it's not unlikely considering this gen card is just a stop-gap generation with the 32nm process got skipped, and the cards are not really hugely faster than the previous gen i.e. 6950 is only around as fast as 5870, 6970 is only around as fast as GTX480, GTX580 on the same clock as GTX480 is only around 6% faster, and moving onto new process in the pass has always seen huge performance gain).

Quite right why waste your time on me when you can get back to trying to convince someone to keep their current card.

 

[tommybhoy]

Get the GTX480. If you can stand your GTX280, then I don't see how you wouldn't be able stand the GTX480's noise level as it's almost identical to GTX280's.

Where as here you suggest upgrading a similar performing card to op's, albeit at 1920 resolution although since op, KiiYzOo has suggested upgrading his monitor too.

 

[KiiYzOo]

I have a gtx 460 not a 280

 

[Marine-RX179]

I have a gtx 460 not a 280

Ignore that idiot...he took that quote of mine from ANOTHER thread replying to someone else on a different topic, not THIS thread. And the OP on that other topic is ALREADY on 1920 res, so the circumstance is different.

This is what I was at post at #79 of THIS thread:

Anyway, in terms of bang for bucks, NOTHING comes close to the GTX480 at below £195
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-222-AS&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1750

He seems focusing more on try to tick me off, and arguing that the 6950 2GB would be a much better choice than the GTX560 for 1920 res (when it's not...yes it might be little faster than the overclocked GTX560 after unlocked to 6970 and overclock a bit, but the fact remains that 6950 cost more than GTX560 on average, and doesn't even comes with a decent cooler like some of the GTX560 already does), than having your best interest in mind.

I don't see how I'm wrong to explaining why it would be better for you to hold out your graphic upgrade till the 28nm cards are out since GTX460 768MB (especially if overclocked) can still handle majority of the games max out at 1680 res (more like everything except Crysis, Metro2033 and ArmaII). And as I said before, if you are upgrading your monitor something like this week instead of few months later down the line, then by all mean upgrade whichever faster card you want, be it 6950/GTX560/GTX480 (personally I'd get the GTX480...and if noise is a bit much for you, you could always get a decent headset at around £50, which you would need/want sooner or later if you are an enthusiast toward FPS games).

And while bhavv was incorrect to say Metro2033 is poorly code, he's not wrong to say that Metro2033 is a poor example for comparing 2GB to 1GB, as almost no other game out there use close to that high level of VRAM as it does.

I gave you an suggestion which I think would be the best course of action for you in terms of spending the money (more down to earth rather than buying on impulse or because of getting hit by the upgrade itch), however at the end of the day, it is your money, so it is your choice to spend it whatever way you want.

 

[KiiYzOo]

Yeah I think I may wait a while and if I see any serious framerate drops then I may get another gtx460.

 

[Marine-RX179]

Yeah I think I may wait a while and if I see any serious framerate drops then I may get another gtx460.

Just a final reminder that if you are upping the res to beyond 1680, it is not advisable to SLI using two 768MB cards, as it would really be somewhat of a limitation at 1920 res (not so much in dx9/dx10 games, but more so in some dx11 games as they tends to use bit more VRAM on average).

It's really back to the question of how soon will you be upgrading your monitor I think. If you getting a faster card instead of going SLI, for your GTX460 768MB you could either sell it and get some money back, or if you are lazy to sell stuff you could retire it to become a PhysX card.

 

[KiiYzOo]

Am I right in saying that if I get a model with more ram I will only be able to use 768mb?

 

[tommybhoy]

I have a gtx 460 not a 280

Yes, I am aware of that.
What I was pointing out is that the 460 and 280 performance are similar, yet marine is telling you to keep your card where as recommending an upgrade in the other thread, as I said albeit at 1920 resolution(you have stated earlier on thinking about upgrading your monitor too).

Am I right in saying that if I get a model with more ram I will only be able to use 768mb?

Yes

Ignore that idiot...he took that quote of mine from ANOTHER thread replying to someone else on a different topic, not THIS thread. And the OP on that other topic is ALREADY on 1920 res, so the circumstance is different.

I was quoting what you said in the other thread.

This is what I was at post at #79 of THIS thread:

Which I agreed with you

Agree with you on the 480 though at that price, you could buy a zalman fan and oc the hell out of it. That would be my main choice now without a doubt.

He seems focusing more on try to tick me off, and arguing that the 6950 2GB would be a much better choice than the GTX560 for 1920 res (when it's not...yes it might be little faster than the overclocked GTX560 after unlocked to 6970 and overclock a bit,

I am not trying to tick anybody off, I am just giving my opinion(as I have not called you or anybody else an 'idiot' is it resorting to name calling now?) as you are yours.

What ever way you dress it up, I have only been talking about an unlocked 6950 to a 6970 as I have already pointed out to you before. Which unlocked and oc IS faster than oc 560 in MORE cases than not.

but the fact remains that 6950 cost more than GTX560 on average, and doesn't even comes with a decent cooler like some of the GTX560 already does), than having your best interest in mind.

What prices have you been looking at?

 

[Marine-RX179]

KiiYzOo>

Do not pay too much attention on tommybhoy. You probably noticed by now that he's more determine on attacking me than interested on what you have to say. He delibrately quote one of my post from another topic and post it here, making it seem like something I posted for this topic...despite knowing full well it could cause confusion for you (which it did...as you were wondering why the hell did a GTX280 got mentioned).

A Gigabyte GTX560 OC (900MHz instead of 820MHz) with a decent twin fans custom cooler can be had for £196 if look around, which is faster than the 6950 out of the box, where as the cheapest 6950 cost £209.99 and still require flashing bios to become 6970 speed (while flashing the bios is not difficult, it would defeat the purpose of getting a 6950 if you are not going to flash it).

But GTX480 is still the best bang for bucks for £195 in terms of speed, if you don't mind the extra noise level, heat and power consumption.

Have you actually made up your mind whether you are going to upgrade your monitor early or not yet by the way?

 

[KiiYzOo]

No I'm going to do it later on in the year, but I was wanting to get a more powerful card so I'll be able to get a higher resolution monitor but I may wait till a bit later in the year to upgrade my graphics card, I'm not sure.

 

[tommybhoy]

KiiYzOo>

Do not pay too much attention on tommybhoy. You probably noticed by now that he's more determine on attacking me than interested on what you have to say.

No problem, attacking? Who's been doing the name calling?

He delibrately quote one of my post from another topic and post it here, making it seem like something I posted for this topic...despite knowing full well it could cause confusion for you (which it did...as you were wondering why the hell did a GTX280 got mentioned).

Your clutching at straws now, If i was trying to make it look that way I would have 'just done this', the arrow is there to take you to the post is it not? As you know the GTX280 got mentioned in comparison to KiiYzOo's 460.


I have put up some 1920 benchmarks here

Hope this helps, I ran some benches for you.

All at 1920, 6950/70, c2Q6600 @ 3.3G, 8g ram, W7 x64.

If you want, I can do some 1680 ones for you to compare with what your 460 does just now.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

No I'm going to do it later on in the year, but I was wanting to get a more powerful card so I'll be able to get a higher resolution monitor but I may wait till a bit later in the year to upgrade my graphics card, I'm not sure.

Then get a new card when you get a new monitor.

 

[Dark_Angel]

I'd go with the pre-order price of the GTX 480...

 

[Marine-RX179]

Then get a new card when you get a new monitor.

^This.

Also take into consideration how long until the launch of the 28nm cards by the time you get a new monitor, and see if your GTX460 768MB can keep you afloat for the games you play at 1920 res until the launch of those cards.

 

[KiiYzOo]

Yeah that would be good tommybhoy