Acer 27" 3D monitor with hdmi 1.4

If that pricing information is accurate even I am shocked by how expensive it will be. I was expecting something around or just under £500. I could understand people splashing out nearly £600 on the Samsung as the design is pretty stunning... But that is quite a premium for the sake of a glossy plastic 27" 'Full HD' TN panel monitor - 120Hz or not.

I would also like to point out that 8ms was the average input lag measured - 16ms was the upper value. Because the accuracy is only around 8.33ms for each reading you can assume that input lag is inconsequentially low for this monitor. When readings of '0ms' input lag are taken it's usually because the person kept on rounding down transitional frames that didn't quite make the 8.33ms. In actuality the average discrepency here could be a couple of ms and either way is likely beyond the range of human perception. Not worth worrying about - but the same can't be said for the price tag.
 
Aye, I doubt I would pay that much for it.

Someone suggested in the comments of the review if the ati radeon hd 5 series gpu worked in 3d, how this would work when the ati 5 series gpu doesn't output 3d. -.. edit .. I have the ati radeon hd 5770 and it does appear to work with 3D stereo drivers, glasses, and display. Is this for gaming and movies.

Regarding the input lag, in his opinion 17ms highest value is not acceptable ?

I will quote from a review he done with the asus vg23ghe which had 17ms highest value compared to the lg w2363d in their respective game mode and thru mode.

Now let me just show you how the monitor performs in terms of input lag. I’ve compared it to the LG W2363D-PF, as this model from LG is the last Full HD 3D-capable 120Hz LCD monitor that I’ve tested and that does not have input lag when the special THRU Mode is active. I’ve used a DVI splitter cable I connected both the Asus VG236HE and the LG W2363D-PF and started testing for input lag with the LG in its THRU mode and the Asus set in its gaming mode. As you can see from the photo above, there were moments when the LG and Asus were performing the same, meaning that there was no input lag at the specific moment, unfortunately the situation was not like that all the time. The minimum input lag measured on the Asus was indeed 0 milliseconds, meaning no delay at all from the moment of receiving the image and displaying it on the screen, however the average and maximum delay was more than zero.


The maximum input lag I was able to measure was 17 milliseconds which is not that bad, but for a high-end gaming monitor with 120Hz refresh rate and intended for playing games in stereo 3D mode one would expect to have no input lag at all, right? And the average delay measured was about 8 milliseconds for the Asus as compared to the LG, that has no input lag at all or at least it is much less than one millisecond making it really insignificant and hard to measure anyway. 8 milliseconds was the average input lag measured from the sequence of over the 300 photos, taken in high-speed mode with a digital camera, of the timer you see shown on both displays. So the Asus doesn’t seem so appealing anymore for more demanding gamers, looking to use it in 2D mode with the full 120Hz refresh rate instead to play in stereo 3D mode.
 
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He is just trying to explain that the figures are different there. Nowhere does he subjectively state that this makes a practical or percievable difference when you actually play games - because aside from a possible placebo effect, it simply wouldn't. He also seems to be a little hung-up on the 'nearly 0ms' malarky when infact it was, as touched upon above, that it simply didn't quite reach the 8.33ms threshold. This is explained a lot better in this XL2410T review in the 'input lag' section just before the conclusion.
 
In his opinion with his review on the asus vg23ghe, he says in the last paragraph regarding the input lag that 17ms highest value is an issue for demanding gamers, irrelevant of the average 8ms ?, the same figure's that he reported with the acer.

Even on the acer review he said it does exhibit input lag, probably because of the 17ms highest value ?


If you look at his review of the LG W2363D, without the through mode enabled the minimum lag was 9ms and the highest was 18ms.

If having an 18ms highest value is no issue then why did Lg feel the need to have 'thru mode' to pretty much eliminate lag ?

Regardless of the minimum or average lag, is the highest recorded input lag more of a killer for fps etc.

http://3dvision-blog.com/review-of-the-23-lg-w2363d-120hz-full-hd-3d-gaming-monitor/
 
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I wouldn't dispute that using a special mode designed to forgo extraneous processing does indeed reduce input lag. But, for the aforementioned reasons, don't get hung up on the figures. Obviously he is going to use any means of reducing input lag as far as possible if it doesn't have a negative impact on the visual output - and as a reviewer he must be as objective as possible. People want these figures and they want something concrete to compare. Unfortunately there is nothing concrete about the figures you're considering here - I know this from experience. Very few people understand how these figures are obtained and what they actually mean in practice. Again - I can see from experience and feedback gathered from people I would consider 'serious gamers' that it doesn't make a difference. There is nothing wrong with wanting the lowest possible input lag but you shouldn't hold the recorded values against the Acer in any buying decision.

If the reviewer was to give his subjective opinion and say that he notices a difference in anything other than a figure he 'recorded' then that would change things. It is more than likely that there isn't and that's why he is providing some figures and letting people make their own minds up. All he really gave were positive vibes and if there were any underlying problems on this front he wouldn't frame his words in this way:

"The monitor exhibits some input lag, the values measured vary from 0 to 16 ms with an average of about 8 ms, something which is quite good considering that most of the 3D-capable 120Hz monitors do have some input lag anyway."

What would be a lot more interesting would be a look at the response time algorithms as this is something that is actually quite readily noticeable (especially on a larger monitor such as this one). Perhaps some screenshots of PixPerAn tests and just his opinion on this side of things wouldn't go amiss - a bit like his discussion of 3D Crosstalk which is very good. I'm not here to criticise the review though and I think the reviewer has done a great job - I just don't want people to misconstrue the data he presents.
 
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I'm confused. :D

So you think you really wouldn't notice any difference with the response time of the lg with it's thru mode enabled and disabled.

But with the thru mode enabled you will see more fps which is useful for the likes of fps ? - does that make sense lol
 
Now I'm confused. ;) I think you may (although I'm not sure :p) be mixing up response time and input lag? The 'thru' mode on the LG monitor will reduce the input lag from already exceptionally low levels without affecting the response time (pixel transition time or visible frame rate). To use a horrendous exaggeration. If for example you were watching a fly-by scene in a game on a monitor with negligible input lag and watching the same fly-by scene on another monitor that was exactly the same, but had 40ms input lag - the scene would look exactly the same. If you were interacting with the scene, however, you would probably notice a delay between moving the mouse and the image on-screen responding. The 'input lag' is really just the delay that goes on before the monitor outputs a frame - it doesn't affect the responsiveness of the monitor during output of the frame (which is what you will see). If you were comparing a consistent 16ms response time (for pixels) with a consistent 2ms response time (for pixels) then I don't doubt there would be a large visible difference.
 
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If you were playing an fps on the lg with it's thru mode on - it would make the frame on screen appear quicker when looking around etc than having it disabled.

So if the acer had a similar mode - reducing the input lag, the image on screen would appear quicker.

Or as you say because the input lag is low to start of with it's not really noticable reducing the input lag even more.

PCM, you don't think there would be any notable difference playing fps compared with the lg W2363D on it's thru mode and the acer with the reported input lag it is has in the review ?
 
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What's with the white gloves? Is he going to a 90's rave after setting his monitor up?

Anyway I think I'll wait for Samsungs 27" offering, much more stylish!

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PCM2 said:
In a word; no.
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Thanks for the input PCM ;) (no pun intended)

He says the ati radeon hd 5 series works through the hdmi - don't know if he means 3d movies with the likes of the powerdvd software and games also. It has the 100x100mm vesa mount.

It would be a big plus if gaming in 3d works with the ati 5 series - not really bothered about 3d gaming at the moment though.

Personally though the reported price and anti-glare coating is the big negatives.

coupe69 said:
What's with the white gloves? Is he going to a 90's rave after setting his monitor up?

Anyway I think I'll wait for Samsungs 27" offering, much more stylish!
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What about the people who wall mount though.

Stupid, ugly unwallmountable design for teh fail.
 
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I would certainly agree that the price is a bit heavy and the anti-glare coating is not my cup of tea for an entertainment monitor either (prefer a kind of semi-gloss for most home room lighting situations). It's certainly good that it's wall-mountable and I think that's a big bonus for some people over the upcoming Samsungs. One particularly promising thing to take away from the Acer is its use of the ‘LGD LM270WF3′ – a TN panel manufactured by LG Display. I wouldn't be surprised if LG use this in their own 27-inch 3D monitor in the near future. I also hope ASUS would follow suit (with a glossy screen as well) - something they were supposed to do last year.
 
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Price is miles too high TBH, even if it does come with 3D Vision glasses (which I already own). I also wouldn't buy a 27" 1080p screen.

Still waiting for a 3D LCD worth buying. Asus were so close with the VG236HE then blew it with the shiny screen. The stereo crosstalk looks to be much better on the latest 120Hz LCDs versus the first wave we had, it's just a matter of time now before someone gets it right.
 
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16ms is quite low, but preferably it's better not to have any lag. The lg W2363D thas reported to have 0 input lag with it's 'thru mode'

He has said that the monitor will be available at the end of this month priced at 689 euros - £587.
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Here you go, although I would guess these are not final......I hope not anyway :p
 
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