Rubbish, I have been riding on roads since I was 17, 10 years ago and its always been the same, roads never get safer they just get busier more people in a hurry, its easier to ride on paths because of safety and ease, not needing to watch out for junctions, cars parked in the road, thats the worst, having to get into the middle of the road looking over your back hoping the car has spotted you.
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Rubbish, I have been riding on roads since I was 17, 10 years ago and its always been the same, roads never get safer they just get busier more people in a hurry, its easier to ride on paths because of safety and ease, not needing to watch out for junctions, cars parked in the road, thats the worst, having to get into the middle of the road looking over your back hoping the car has spotted you.
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He didn't kick it.
Sometimes you just get sick of folks trying to bully you and putting your life at risk for the sake of 5 seconds. I'm not advocating cyclists reacting, but if they don't defend their space and right to use the road, no-one else is going to do it for them.
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1) Standard cycles mate, lights and follow their instructions is part of the HWC no?
2)Yeah thats what my insurance is for.
3)Because cars intend to crash into each other?
Bet you wouldn't be doing that if you had some form of ID plate that people could then claim you left the scene of an accident eh
4)Dark roads, minimum lightning and a cyclist with no vis or lights?
You think thats safe cycling?
5)from what you said the no indication of turning is questionable.
But If I went into the back of a car wouldn't it be my fault for not leaving enough stopping distance?
1) I decide what is safe and what isnt, and what rules i should follow while on a pedal bike, i've had no accident that was my fault (see #5)
2) I'm not legally required to have insurance for a pedal bike, if its their fault, they pay me (or mabye not?), if its my fault, well i buy myself a new bike, rinse and repeat. a bike is smaller and more Manoeuvrable, trying to compare what you do on a bike and car is totally different.
3) Well no, but its not like i've just killed someone.
4) On all main roads around here, It is not dark, if you cannot see someone on a main road in London then you have problems with you're eyes. Problems happen at turns etc when people come out fast, without a chance to see the person, this is irrelevant of lighting conditions
And i do have lights, just not a high visibility nonsense. And as for helmets, that's for when you have an accident, wearing a helmet doesn't reduce the likelihood of an accident.
It is safe, i don't have a death wish, if i believe at some point i should slow down, or give way i do, and i have a lot of experience at that rather than someone just reading the highway code. You think its not safe, just like some people use bleach all over the place because bacteria is not safe.
5) Its not questionable its as bad as running a red light. If you replace me with a car = crash although no-one would be hurt, just some sort of damage.
I didn't go into the back of the car, I hit the side on a 60degree angle. He actually cut me off by driving right in front of me from the right lane turning left without signalling or even looking (i was in the left lane)
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The van driver is in the wrong but what I would say is if your an experienced road user your experience should tell you van drivers are typically rude and aggressive and you should be able to anticipate what a van driver is likely to do in certain scenarios.
The problem for van drivers is stress and having to get to places on time all the time and just to qualify to be a British van driver you have to prove you abilities by rolling a copy of Sun and sticking it the front of dashboard, driver and talk with your mobile and make rude hand gestures with the other I think it's all a prerequisite or something. I wouldn't even call those stereotypes as to be a stereotype it has to be misleading and not applicable to the majority.
The problem for van drivers is stress and having to get to places on time all the time and just to qualify to be a British van driver you have to prove you abilities by rolling a copy of Sun and sticking it the front of dashboard, driver and talk with your mobile and make rude hand gestures with the other I think it's all a prerequisite or something. I wouldn't even call those stereotypes as to be a stereotype it has to be misleading and not applicable to the majority.
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Ban TBH!
Actually, most new vehicles have auto dimming rear view mirrors these days. In streetlights, on wet road, moving fast from behind on the side of road, so by default emerging in and out of the blind spot, with long road full of moving car headlights as your backdrop, without high visibility jacket you are just grey shadow on grey background full of bright objects, seen in dimmed mirrors often through factory tinted rear windscreen.
I've noticed even more worrying trend in London this winter though. Overdoing the lights by cyclists. Some of the Trons strap ultrabright LED torches to their bikes, you know the type - the ones that lit up everything around like freaking UFO landing scene. Then point them high. And it creates opposite effect - like interrogation technique - you can't see anything pass them and can't tell how wide or far the object behind light is and what is its trajectory.
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[DOD]Asprilla;18379127 said:
This is the reason that government studies have found that women are more likely to be involved in cycling accidents and why the number of deaths, especially those involving lorries is higher for women. This is despite the fact that women only account for under 30% of all cycle journeys made.
The study has found that the main reason is that women are less likely to have the confidence and to assert their position on the road that they are allowed. They also don't want to feel they are holding anyone up, so are close to the kerb, but in some cases out of fear.
It's not the case for all women of course, but it highlights how as a cyclist you have to stand up for yourself on the road.
People still getting butt hurt over the cyclist being an idiot? If I saw a van or car trying to overtake me before going round a corner, I would have slowed down to let him get past me before the corner came up, not tried to go alongside him yelling "STAY RIGHT!" like a retard. He had a good few seconds before the corner to slow down and safely let the van past and a good few seconds after the corner to let it past again, did he? No. Instead he tried to keep up with the van for no good reason and put his own life in danger just because of the cyclists road ego.
On the Youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAcKONQGTtE:
6 seconds in you can see the cyclist can clearly see the van is indicating left, you also have a massive gap after the van to the left to allow anything to get past which wanted with no risk to yourself, if you judge from his position of the camera to the road, you can see after the van where he had lots of clear space, he barely attempted to pull across at all to give more room.
Between 12-17 seconds you can see he also had a huge gap in order to let the van past safely by slowing down just a little, he knew the van wanted to overtake, but was persistent in staying along side/keeping his speed.
If a motorcyclist is over taking me on the road for example, I won't stay in the middle of the lane, and stay the same speed and try to keep level with the guy so he potentially knocks into the side of me, I will pull left as far as possible, slow down and just let him past. Why would other people look out for your safety if you can't even look out for your own?
On the Youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAcKONQGTtE:
6 seconds in you can see the cyclist can clearly see the van is indicating left, you also have a massive gap after the van to the left to allow anything to get past which wanted with no risk to yourself, if you judge from his position of the camera to the road, you can see after the van where he had lots of clear space, he barely attempted to pull across at all to give more room.
Between 12-17 seconds you can see he also had a huge gap in order to let the van past safely by slowing down just a little, he knew the van wanted to overtake, but was persistent in staying along side/keeping his speed.
If a motorcyclist is over taking me on the road for example, I won't stay in the middle of the lane, and stay the same speed and try to keep level with the guy so he potentially knocks into the side of me, I will pull left as far as possible, slow down and just let him past. Why would other people look out for your safety if you can't even look out for your own?
Even though the cyclist's mantra is that the most three important things in life are Momentum, momentum and momentum (with apologies to J Clarkson) as a cyclist you have to learn to 'choose your battles'...
It's clear that there was only ever going to be one winner in this particular confrontation. No matter how much the cyclist can harp on about having the 'moral high ground' sometimes, inevitably (and sadly) might is right and you have to swallow your pride, put your hands on the brake levers and let them go and spoil someone else's day/week/month/year/life rather than yours...
(I covered the muppets on two wheels and pedal power in my previous post btw!)
It's clear that there was only ever going to be one winner in this particular confrontation. No matter how much the cyclist can harp on about having the 'moral high ground' sometimes, inevitably (and sadly) might is right and you have to swallow your pride, put your hands on the brake levers and let them go and spoil someone else's day/week/month/year/life rather than yours...
(I covered the muppets on two wheels and pedal power in my previous post btw!)
lol you go in your car and think that say a HGV should always overtake you and you should back down, might is right? no its rules of the road, learn them or **** off, you are in a powered machine, whats the RUSH?
**** in a car sums thee up
You can clearly see the van not gaining anything after the junction, then slamming on. When you ride every day this is just common and why should cyclist put up with it.
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Ok, we've had driver vs cyclist, what about pedestrian vs cyclist.
NJLrcG64ulU youtube
They're a bit stricter in American cities when you don't use the PEDESTRIAN CROSSING by the sounds of itBut the cyclist is a bit of a **** no helmet, wrong way down a street.
Seen that before but totally awesome how they deal with it. has me in stitches every time. Its like something from a cartoon. All arguments should be that efficient.
"You're going the wrong way." Then the biker says, "you aren't using a crosswalk." and the business guy goes "you're right." And they part ways knowing they both sucked
http://www.youtube.com/user/bbborp
his youtube is full of this.. seems like he reports most of them too..
his youtube is full of this.. seems like he reports most of them too..
Van is clearly in the wrong.
There has been a couple of ocasions i have had problems with cyclists however.
First cyclist went through red light, nearly hit him and all he does is continue to cycle slowly whilst looking cluelessly at me.
Second 2 cyclists going side by side going dead slow blocking a busy road.
But apart from that never had any problems, always give them a really wide berth, always get paranoid they are going to swerve out in front of me as i pass them for some reason.
There has been a couple of ocasions i have had problems with cyclists however.
First cyclist went through red light, nearly hit him and all he does is continue to cycle slowly whilst looking cluelessly at me.
Second 2 cyclists going side by side going dead slow blocking a busy road.
But apart from that never had any problems, always give them a really wide berth, always get paranoid they are going to swerve out in front of me as i pass them for some reason.
Cyclists need to stop taking themselves so seriously, you do not need as much space as a car !
Despite that van driver being in the wrong, the cyclist was being a moron about it, stubbornly not wanting to brake and then slamming the van...
On the other side, van driver can stick his hi vis jacket up his ***, cyclists do not have to wear them, simple: 1 white front light 1 red rear light when dark or fog, otherwise they don't need any lights or any other bs, car drivers should instead use their mirrors and their eyes...
That said, the infrastructure in parts of that vid is quite ridiculous, a cycle lane BETWEEN 2 car lanes ? WTF !? That lane should be on the left, not between 2 car lanes, that is ridiculously dangerous.
Despite that van driver being in the wrong, the cyclist was being a moron about it, stubbornly not wanting to brake and then slamming the van...
Exactly, the cyclist in that vid is a retarded moron... Typical road rage behavior, I wouldn't want to think what he'd do if he had a car, no doubt overtake the van, cut him up and then slammed the brakes...
On the other side, van driver can stick his hi vis jacket up his ***, cyclists do not have to wear them, simple: 1 white front light 1 red rear light when dark or fog, otherwise they don't need any lights or any other bs, car drivers should instead use their mirrors and their eyes...
Of course, they shouldn't even have as much space as they are trying to claim in the UK, I really can't see why they aren't forced to keep to the left when sharing a lane with cars like here, not keeping as much to the side as possible simply means a fine, that's how it should be, cycling will fail if you get them claiming a whole bloody car lane.[DOD]Asprilla;18379127 said:
That said, the infrastructure in parts of that vid is quite ridiculous, a cycle lane BETWEEN 2 car lanes ? WTF !? That lane should be on the left, not between 2 car lanes, that is ridiculously dangerous.
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Just watched a few of them and they do show examples of poor driving but I feel that this guy's arrogance and aggression towards other road users (not just car/van drivers) create dangerous situations and positions for himself and others. Throw some bad driving by other motorists/cyclists into the mix and someone could get seriously injured, most likely this cyclist.
Because they come up that much? Heeeheeeh, as much room as a car, when I cycled I can't ever remember needing so much room. Must have the spatial awareness of a cow.
If you fall, you fall, pretty much leave it at that.
By the original video's other videos, it seems like he's the one actually in a rush, cycling fast where it's pretty dangerous too, close behind other vehicles that can out-brake him, even overtaking when the lights go green but the car will inevitable overtake anyway. He seems like the sort of road user that gets himself in these positions because 1: He has a camera 2: He's up himself self righteous 3: Knows what's about to happen but rather than be safe, will push the other road user to the point the accident almost happens, as if to prove a point.
I think we need to be glad on #3, at least he sees it coming and is prepared, yet if it was me I would never put myself in to the position to begin with, one day he's going to darwin fail.
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Nope, kids cycling from school around here seem to ride 4 abreast sometimes in as much space as a car lane... People thinking cyclists need as much space as a car is exactly the reason why cycling in the UK fails so badly.
What if you fall, you talk like it's a regular occurrence ?
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Uh no, you misunderstand me! That is solely my point of view when I'm on my bike; no matter the rights and wrongs of who has right of way in a given situation, at the end of the day vehicle drivers have a nice steel cage wrapped around them whereas I have nothing. Therefore I let self-preservation take priority over anything else.
Perhaps 'might is right' was the wrong way of saying it but what I mean was that sometimes as a cyclist you realise that you are extremely vulnerable in traffic against vehicles and have to let discretion be the better part of valour.
I certainly do not follow the 'might is right' mantra when driving! Perhaps you should calm down and not be so quick with the personal insults?