60hz or 120hz for gaming?

In that case you may get a bit more out of a 120Hz monitor but you have to have a long hard think whether responsiveness is all that important to you or whether the improvements in image quality of a non-TN panel may be a better choice for you. You did mention that you found gaming at 60Hz 'fine' but I suppose you won't have used PVA/IPS panels and 120Hz TN panels to compare? If you do want to 'unlock' as much performance as you can from your system I wouldn't go for the BenQ now when some new 120Hz monitors from Acer, Samsung and possibly others are just around the corner. Backlight bleedthrough effects any LCD monitor but the degree of this varies considerably. It is quite common for it to vary slightly between individual units of the same model, but in the case of BenQ's recent launches the inter-unit variability seems to be quite significant and greater than usual.
 
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JHONO said:
Will do!

So the BenQ then think i should go for it?

What about the backlight bleed though heard some complain they have it?
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It's upto you, i've heard what you have about the 120hz BenQ with its dodgy QC. Personally i'm using a Dell U2311, it was between the MASSIVELY superior IQ of the Dell or the 120hz of the BenQ when i made this choice last month... The difference in image quality between the two was mind boggling, the colours of the Dell alone made me chose it above the BenQ :)
 
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In that case you may get a bit more out of a 120Hz monitor but you have to have a long hard think whether responsiveness is all that important to you or whether the improvements in image quality of a non-TN panel may be a better choice for you. You did mention that you found gaming at 60Hz 'fine' but I suppose you won't have used PVA/IPS panels and 120Hz TN panels to compare? If you do want to 'unlock' as much performance as you can from your system I wouldn't go for the BenQ now when some new 120Hz monitors from Acer, Samsung and possibly others are just around the corner. Backlight bleedthrough effects any LCD monitor but the degree of this varies considerably. It is quite common for it to vary slightly between individual units of the same model, but in the case of BenQ's recent launches the inter-unit variability seems to be quite significant and greater than usual.
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Never tried a 120Hz panel always had 60Hz and its been fine. Not one to notice the responsiveness really. I think the Samsung would be great imo no problems what so ever, you even said the picture quality is good as well?

Im thinking mayby the Samsung P2450H right now, would this be a good investment given that im not bothered about 100% responsiveness?

Though 120 Hz is still tempting

What about the new samsung 120Hz monitors, im a fan of samsung so when will they be released and is there a 24 version?

Do you know what they will be priced at as well?

Thanks :)
 
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The upcoming Samsungs will come in both 23 inch and 27 inch versions. Samsung also have two upcoming 60Hz monitor series, the '550' and '350'. These will come in a range of sizes including 24" and will be LED backlit and similar in specification to the PX2370. Expected release date for these is around March but there is no confirmation on price yet.

The P2450H does have good image quality for the price and is a very solid all-rounder. Setting gamma to 'mode 2' and spending a small amount of time tweaking the colours will get you a nice very decent and fairly vibrant image. If you aren't really all that bothered about super levels of responsiveness or stereoscopic 3D then 3D monitors are generally an unwarranted expense as you can get better image quality for less. I'd wait to see how all of the new Samsungs (60Hz and 120Hz) turn out if you can and perhaps also wait for LG's upcoming 'home' IPS monitors.
 
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Yeah also not bothered about 3D neither i dont need it.

The P5024H looks really good and for the price you cant go wrong thats why im tempted to press the buy button. But like you said waiting might be a good idea but if these new monitors are too bigger priced then it might be worth me going for the P50?

Thanks
 
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I would expect the 3D monitors to be closer to £300 for the 23 inch versions and more for the 27 inch versions. The new 60Hz models will probably be priced similarly to the BX50 and BX35 series at launch. So expect the 24" '350' series to be around £180 and 24" '550' series to be around £240. These are just my estimations - I'd imagine the P2450H would be a sound choice for the price as I don't see the 24" '350' being noticeably superior.
 
Just want to say i got the P2450H and a cracker it is.

Touch sensitive buttons took some getting used to but the monitor is great, its big, colours are very good and games are flawless in it.

Can falt the thing really so far.

Thanks :)
 
I'm going to replace my Acer GD245HQ for the new Sammy S27A950D 27" 120Hz monitor, it looks stunning!

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looks amazing but no adjustment and massive size vs low pixel pitch :(


just to clear things up, 120hz helps but its not the thing that sorts out the LCD motion blue/ghost trails. a good over driven 60hz / 75hz panel is also fairly low on ghosting and blur.
 
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just to clear things up, 120hz helps but its not the thing that sorts out the LCD motion blue/ghost trails. a good over driven 60hz / 75hz panel is also fairly low on ghosting and blur.
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Is that a question or a statement? If a 'heavily overdriven' monitor is outputting the maximum possible framerate (so 120fps vs. 60fps) then the trailing will be a lot less noticeable on the 120Hz monitor. The transition time between frames of '16.33ms' for a 60Hz monitor is within the comfortable range of human perception for this kind of stimulus. The '8.33ms' transition time is just within the 'limits' so provided the pixel transition time itself is fast enough trailing will be visibly reduced. You are right, however, that overdrive trailing is also evident on 120Hz monitors regardless of framerate or pixel transition time. This actually makes quite a significant difference in the extent of visible trailing. I probably haven't explained that very well but it's a lot easier to illustrate - see the 'response times' section of this review (about 2/3 of the way down) paying particularly attention to 60Hz vs. 120Hz with AMA enabled.
 
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^^ When playing say quake 3 with even a good 60Hz if I turn quickly the textures blurr slightly, the image isn't 100% stable and it inhibits my ability to quickly and accurately take in and react to the scene. With my 120Hz 2233rz the image is much more stable on fast turns with much reduced residual image issues which allows me to react to the scene much more efficently - translating to better scores in games. I've never found a 60Hz panel yet which is as good never mind the framerate and refreshrate, tho I've found better panels 60Hz for input latency but all the 120Hz ones I've tried so far are perfectly acceptable for input latency - many 60Hz ones simple are not for proper FPS gaming even ones marketted for gaming. 120fps is simply a bonus.

Coming from a 100+Hz CRT to a TFT for gaming I found my brain was automatically adjusting for the short period where the image wasn't stable increasing my reaction times, rather than 120Hz magically increasing my ability in games its simply producing less of a barrier between my real ability and the game.
 
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^^ When playing say quake 3 with even a good 60Hz if I turn quickly the textures blurr slightly, the image isn't 100% stable and it inhibits my ability to quickly and accurately take in and react to the scene. With my 120Hz 2233rz the image is much more stable on fast turns with much reduced residual image issues which allows me to react to the scene much more efficently - translating to better scores in games. I've never found a 60Hz panel yet which is as good never mind the framerate and refreshrate, tho I've found better panels 60Hz for input latency but all the 120Hz ones I've tried so far are perfectly acceptable for input latency - many 60Hz ones simple are not for proper FPS gaming even ones marketted for gaming. 120fps is simply a bonus.

Coming from a 100+Hz CRT to a TFT for gaming I found my brain was automatically adjusting for the short period where the image wasn't stable increasing my reaction times, rather than 120Hz magically increasing my ability in games its simply producing less of a barrier between my real ability and the game.
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there is a NEC 26" 1200p screen that has 0ms input lag tested min and 15ms max with tn panel and 60hz. so input lag is very low, further more looking at the benq 120hz model for sale on here shows weird ghosting issues even on 120hz vs a good 60hz panel..

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_xl2410t.htm

scroll to responsiveness and gaming section, the 60hz is more stable (but displays less frames)

also input lag is indeed low on th 120hz benq at 6ms but 60hz lowest is 8ms hardly earth shattering differences and id wager not actually noticeable, if you were that bothered you would be running ultra low settings and low res on a crt.


120hz is definatley a keeper feature but at the moment the benq doesnt seem to be the best implementation of the tech.
 
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