Is SB dead in the water already?

powned · 11 Feb 2011 at 20:10

Its dead for me, horrid DRM hardware in the chip, Anti-Theft 3.0 that can shut down the chip via 3g - and forgive my tinfoil-hattedness but im guessing that would enable 'them' to find your location at any time? ...now motherboards with bad sata ports? Pff, no thanks.

Prices rose after launch too and despite some serious problems prices are still high, no way im paying £100 plus for a motherboard that might break. I would accept these short comings at the right price but i wont pay through the nose for it. Im waiting for AMDs next move. I know people will disagree but i think there are a lot of bias opinions out there who have something invested in this chip.

opethdisciple · 11 Feb 2011 at 20:26

Maybe some good news?

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/intels_valentines_day_gift_non-defective_6-series_chipset

jonneymendoza · 12 Feb 2011 at 01:05

imo intels reputations ****ed a bit. i doubt many will jump on ivy bridge on day 1 regardless if its twice the speed of sb.

Nocky24 · 12 Feb 2011 at 01:17

jonneymendoza said:
imo intels reputations ****ed a bit. i doubt many will jump on ivy bridge on day 1 regardless if its twice the speed of sb.

It's debatable as to how tarnished their reputation is. I've seen other major companies handle product defects in a far more defiant and deviant way *cough* Apple *cough*

So I've still got a fair amount of respect for Intel for how they're handling the situation.

Also Ivy Bridge is a Tick, and just a compaction of the SB architecture so I doubt you'd see the teething issues you'd potentially find with new architecture. Also I doubt it'd be twice as fast in performance. I'd say between 10%-20% increase over an equivalent SB as a rough estimate.

jonneymendoza · 12 Feb 2011 at 10:49

SB is a tick too mate. its not a brand new architecture. its just a die shrink to the old nehalem . thats why am VERY surprised of these issues.

you would expect it from nehalam a brand new unproven platform but not on second gen stuff.

Nocky24 · 12 Feb 2011 at 11:27

jonneymendoza said:
SB is a tick too mate. its not a brand new architecture. its just a die shrink to the old nehalem . thats why am VERY surprised of these issues.

you would expect it from nehalam a brand new unproven platform but not on second gen stuff.

New chipset, new microarchitecture. SB is a tock:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3871

http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/1501/Tick_Tock.jpg

jonneymendoza · 13 Feb 2011 at 11:01

yea thats what i mean. sorry i meant SB is a tock. its not a new architecture. just a die shrink.

Like a 480gtx and a 580gtx

Duke · 13 Feb 2011 at 11:30

No, the next one is a die shrink.

Nocky24 · 13 Feb 2011 at 17:20

jonneymendoza said:
yea thats what i mean. sorry i meant SB is a tock. its not a new architecture. just a die shrink.

Like a 480gtx and a 580gtx

A tock is new architecture and not just a die shrink mate. The die shrink happened last year already (tick).

mswimfish · 13 Feb 2011 at 19:45

cant intel just call it new or revised instead of this tick and tock lark - totaly confusing :confused:

Duke · 13 Feb 2011 at 20:24

mswimfish said:
cant intel just call it new or revised instead of this tick and tock lark - totaly confusing

Not really that hard to understand

jonneymendoza · 13 Feb 2011 at 23:22

Nocky24 said:
A tock is new architecture and not just a die shrink mate. The die shrink happened last year already (tick).

So sb is indeed a new architecture which has less features then a i7 and only 5% faster? a joke and smells like a refresh to me.

the difference between a nehalem and the previous gen was a lot.

WingZero30 · 13 Feb 2011 at 23:29

jonneymendoza said:
So sb is indeed a new architecture which has less features then a i7 and only 5% faster? a joke and smells like a refresh to me.

the difference between a nehalem and the previous gen was a lot.

You still have to take into account the 2011 SB which will be releasing near the end of this year and is still part of the same architecture albeit with quad channel ram and few other bits. It is expected to support 6-8 or even 12 physical cores cpus.

Ivy Bridge wil be the tick or die shrink of sandy bridge.

rypt · 13 Feb 2011 at 23:31

It is a mini-tock

Nocky24 · 14 Feb 2011 at 01:06

jonneymendoza said:
So sb is indeed a new architecture which has less features then a i7 and only 5% faster? a joke and smells like a refresh to me.

the difference between a nehalem and the previous gen was a lot.

Yeah a quad core Sandy Bridge chip on Intel's new mainstream socket, which is equal to or faster than (in some cases) a £700 6 core Gulftown on the current enthusiast platform is a real disappointment isn't it :confused:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=142

You have to remember that Intel's enthusiast Sandy Bridge socket (lga2011) isn't even out yet so you can't really just write it off as a rebrand just yet.

Also where'd the 5% figure come from? Source?

Duke · 14 Feb 2011 at 19:14

Nocky24 said:
Also where'd the 5% figure come from? Source?

I'd like to know too - you can't say "5%" when its clearly anything from 1% to 50% or whatever. Don't forget the other bits such as improved efficiency.

rypt · 14 Feb 2011 at 19:30

Nocky24 said:
Yeah a quad core Sandy Bridge chip on Intel's new mainstream socket, which is equal to or faster than (in some cases) a £700 6 core Gulftown on the current enthusiast platform is a real disappointment isn't it

You have to remember that Intel's enthusiast Sandy Bridge socket (lga2011) isn't even out yet so you can't really just write it off as a rebrand just yet.

And should be reason enough to discount SB, the fact that Intel are artificially limiting what we can do just to sell an inflated price different socket

opethdisciple · 16 Feb 2011 at 23:20

http://news.softpedia.com/news/MSI-...epping-Sandy-Bridge-Motherboards-184691.shtml

MaxP779 · 17 Feb 2011 at 00:03

Nocky24 said:
Yeah a quad core Sandy Bridge chip on Intel's new mainstream socket, which is equal to or faster than (in some cases) a £700 6 core Gulftown on the current enthusiast platform is a real disappointment isn't it

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=142

You have to remember that Intel's enthusiast Sandy Bridge socket (lga2011) isn't even out yet so you can't really just write it off as a rebrand just yet.

Also where'd the 5% figure come from? Source?

Its only faster because it is clocked slightly higher and not much takes advantage of gulftowns 6 cores.

Sandy bridge is definitely not the step up in performance we have seen from new architectures previously such as core and nehalem.

The only real advantage sandy bridge has over nehalem is the 32nm process, plus the enthusiast stuff coming later will simply be the current sandy bridge with 8 cores which im not knocking but a 32nm nehalem with 8 cores would likely be very similar in performance and clock speed.

Nocky24 · 17 Feb 2011 at 01:13

MaxP779 said:
Its only faster because it is clocked slightly higher and not much takes advantage of gulftowns 6 cores.

Sandy bridge is definitely not the step up in performance we have seen from new architectures previously such as core and nehalem.

The only real advantage sandy bridge has over nehalem is the 32nm process, plus the enthusiast stuff coming later will simply be the current sandy bridge with 8 cores which im not knocking but a 32nm nehalem with 8 cores would likely be very similar in performance and clock speed.

Firstly, it is faster and it may be negligible however the price certainly isn't negligible to a 980x.

Secondly it may not be a massive step up, but this has been the case the past few years in the gaming department so what's the difference? I know people running Q9550s now and are perfectly happy.

Also good luck on an 8 core nehalem, it's not going to happen.