Motoring: Modern Britain
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Doesn't work for you though, you yourself are the proof we need that people can't be trusted and think they are great drivers.
The sooner we set fire to Bazza, Shazza and his ****ing Corsa the better
I agree. But then Bazza's best mate, Gazza is there to take his place.
Spot on Kenai.
A lot of people just come out with the buzzwords like rypt has with his "give them an attitude test" and "give them more training". But when you think about it, this means nothing.
If you give them more training, they'll just drive like an angel until they pass and are on their own/with their mates. If you give them an "attitude test" (LOL) they'll just be really nice to their driving instructor.
Personally, the only way i can see of educating younger drivers is taking their cars off them with zero tolerance. Or authorising the police to give roadside beatings, but i don't think that'll happen.
Well set him on fire too, you need equality with these new found ideas.
I myself am proof, in what way?
I have only ever had one accident, which was when I hit a pothole, at night, on my outer rear wheel in a bend on a mid-engined, rwd car
Even if I had been doing 60 (as opposed to 80) it would not have made a difference, the pothole was deep, positioned so that once the backend went there was no road left to save it anyway (it was close to the side of the road on the outside of the bend).
The car was also stiffly sprung.
I have only ever had one accident, which was when I hit a pothole, at night, on my outer rear wheel in a bend on a mid-engined, rwd car
Even if I had been doing 60 (as opposed to 80) it would not have made a difference, the pothole was deep, positioned so that once the backend went there was no road left to save it anyway (it was close to the side of the road on the outside of the bend).
The car was also stiffly sprung.
Indeed, just as with the current theory test, which contains stupid questions about when you should beep your horn or flash your lights, then in reality 90% of horn usage and light flashing on the road is because you're sat inside your car shouting '****ing ****' at someone who just cut you up.
Such tests are beyond pointless because everyone knows what the answer should be but nearly everyone completely ignores what they should do when they aren't being actively checked on what they are doing.
But had you been doing a nice sensible 40 in a car without stupid suspension you'd have a clean bill of driving health
So you think that derestricting roads will make them safer?
Except that the conditions did not warrant 40 ... most of the road was in a decent condition
Meeting a giant pothole mid-bend (unseen due to the fact that it was night) is not what you expect.
As for the suspension, it was not that stiffer than stock, and being softer makes the SW20 backend waft a bit too much imo
What will make roads safer is better driver training, better road planning and better quality tarmac.
Funnily most studies (conducted by groups who are NOT called "Brake") seem to agree with me view that raising limits, improving training and removing speedcameras and adding more TrafPol would in fact make things better or keep them the same ... but NOT make them worse
Meeting a giant pothole mid-bend (unseen due to the fact that it was night) is not what you expect.
As for the suspension, it was not that stiffer than stock, and being softer makes the SW20 backend waft a bit too much imo
No I think it will have little to no impact on most roads, and will in fact lower accidents due to people not having to watch their speedo to prevent setting off some camera...
What will make roads safer is better driver training, better road planning and better quality tarmac.
Funnily most studies (conducted by groups who are NOT called "Brake") seem to agree with me view that raising limits, improving training and removing speedcameras and adding more TrafPol would in fact make things better or keep them the same ... but NOT make them worse
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You could say the same about all sorts of things, smoking, alcohol, junk food, asbestos, etc., etc., etc.
As time moves on, as the world in general becomes more crowded and we learn more, we have to change - c'est la vie.
Did you just contradict yourself in the same sentence? For the record, i don't believe people staring at their speedo does cause many accidents, but let's run with it...Speed cameras are generally only common place in 30mph/40mph limits where there are a lot of hazards and where doing any more than this is dangerous anyway. For the other 99.9% of roads that don't have speed cameras on them you'd be giving drivers the ability to decide how fast was too fast. Bare in mind that a lot of drivers don't even know which is the proper lane to be in on a roundabout, or how fast to drive in the snow. It is my opinion that the vast majority of the drivers in the UK don't know how fast is too fast until they're in the ITU.
Great, so where does derestricting all roads come into it?
It is funny and also idiotic. These people who conduct these studies have the luxury of their theories being potentially wrong and it not mattering. Not to mention that they seem to live in a dream world where money is not an object.
Junk food and smoking used to be fun?
ASBESTOS used to be fun??
I guess for the few years kids used to play in it, till they all died
Where did I EVER say that derestricting roads will make it safer?
I have simply said that there is no need for the limits, I did not say we will be safer with no limits.
I have said that we should be about the same, maybe a bit better due to better training, road quality and road layout
Those studies have compared accidents and fatalities on Autobahn to our motorways, have compared accident statistics on roads where an unnaturally low limit was raised, compared the stats for when speedcameras are removed (hint there aren't suddenly more accidents when they are removed), and so on.
I haven't got time to respond to Rypt's drivel, can anyone else take over?
EDIT: OK, very quickly - i just had to respond to this...
lol.
So, you HONESTLY think that if we abolished speed limits in every town, city and on everyone A road and motorway, we'd end up with the same amount of KSI's, or slightly less. LOLRypt.
We were talking about your view on abolishing speeds limits, not other ways of reducing KSI's on the road. If we were, i would start by only allowing the sale of tyres that pass a test, similar to the ones that magazines do when they are doing tyre tests.
EDIT: OK, very quickly - i just had to respond to this...
lol.
So, you HONESTLY think that if we abolished speed limits in every town, city and on everyone A road and motorway, we'd end up with the same amount of KSI's, or slightly less. LOLRypt.
We were talking about your view on abolishing speeds limits, not other ways of reducing KSI's on the road. If we were, i would start by only allowing the sale of tyres that pass a test, similar to the ones that magazines do when they are doing tyre tests.
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Let him get on with it, it's not like he responds to any sort of logic.