People who don't move over when you indicate to move out on a Motorway

[Grad]

Much of the IAM school of thought is regarding increasing anticipation rather than raw driving skill. The idea is that if you've already thought about what the guy in the distance might do, you are better prepared to react to it when it happens. Part of this is basic stuff like realising that if you change lanes, the guy in front wont need to brake. The IAM also beleive that something ridiculous like 70% of NON FAULT accidents (ie, accidents where even if they happened would not be judged to be your fault) could be avoided simply by the use of better anticipatory skills. Rarely does a non-fault accident unavoidably appear out of the blue (Except in the case of, say, a rear end smack which you can obviously do little to avoid).

I was hoping this would be the case and has certainly been my perception. I'm kind of interested to see how far off the IAM standard my driving currently is. I'm prepared for an eye opener.

 

[Richie]

To comment on the "changing lanes" argument which this thread also now seems to be dealing with over and above the original "merging onto a M-Way" -

I have no problem letting people move into the lane I am in. I, however do not like them moving in when I happen to be going quite a bit faster and they indicate and move within 1 second of indicating giving me no option but to hammer the brakes OR when they try to move from lanes 2 or 3 into lane 1 as they are about to miss their exit and nearly force me off the road OR when they are behind me in lane 3, undertake in lane 2 (going more than 70MPH) and then indicate to go into lane 3 and force themselves in front...

Granted these are specific examples but in general, I have no issue letting people in or out of lanes I am in for this case.

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Not many times do I get a "Thanks" from them either may I add

Do you really care?
I usually thank people myself, not bothered whether I receive any or not though.

The people that annoy me are the drives that DO NOT LOOK or TRY and see if there is a gap until they have 10 feet of sliproad left and this even happens on a slip road that is (no exaggeration) about 1/5th mile long. They sit there and MATCH my 55MPH speed (remember I am on cruise control) and refuse to slow down or speed up as they feel that it's up to ME to do it... I mean, c'mon!!

In that situation do you not think you're both as bad as each other? I'd rather put some distance between myself and people with that attitude than sit there stubbornly. Perhaps you should put a sign in your rear passenger window " I'M ON CRUISE CONTROL !!?!"

 

[sigma]

As ERDT emergency drivers, we are taught that when on a motorway as you approach a slip road you should observe that slip road for any traffic travelling on it attempting to merge. In fact, ERDT drivers are taught that if it is safe to do so, as you approach a slip road ( in fact, well, well before the slip road starts running parallel with the motorway you are travelling on ) you should have already moved over to the outside lane, leaving the inside lane completely clear as you pass the point where the slip road merges. Then after passing that point, return to your original road position in the inside lane.

When ERDT drivers are travelling along the motorway and we become aware that a slip road is coming up ahead, we start scanning in that direction as we approach it. We are looking through and beyond the trees that sometimes line the areas between slip roads and main motorway roads to see if we can see any traffic on the slip road at all so we can anticipate moving over well before we arrive at the point where the two roads merge. Scanning as we pass the slip road meeting the motorway, doing the "triangular" mirror check to make sure the area behind us is clear and looking in the nearside wing mirror back up the slip road as we pass it to see if there is anything on it about to join behind us.

Without trying to sound big-headed I do this too, as I'm usually driving on motorways at night it's usually fairly easy to spot cars.

What does ERDT stand for? Emergency Response Driving T?

 

[wooly-back-jack]

proper rant for me is tools who do not get the whole filter lane thing. You don't indicate to pull in and stop 500 yards away from the merge. This causes traffic, you simply filter in ffs.. just stay along side, and 1 car from the left, lets a car from the right in at the end.
If somebody is daft enough to let someone in well before the filter lane - that gap is then filled by another pleb, who stops, and puts his indicator on to get into the left lane. JUST DRIVE TO THE END AND FILTER IN!!!11

this does not include accidents where there is blatantly a lane being left clear BECAUSE THERE IS AN ACCIDENT, and the matrix will also have a RED X on that lane, or a BIG ARROW <----
But NO, mr executive C-class thinks "ooh an empty lane, I'll pull out from 3 cars behind you and ignore the queue to get 12 cars infront of you as I am more important" (read impotent)

 

[burns]

Much of the IAM school of thought is regarding increasing anticipation rather than raw driving skill. The idea is that if you've already thought about what the guy in the distance might do, you are better prepared to react to it when it happens. Part of this is basic stuff like realising that if you change lanes, the guy in front wont need to brake.

Ha! And to think I thought you were going to say anticipating that you were going to reach a slow car in front as a car was about to pass you, so you should change lanes before hand

 

[Mucky_Pup]

Indeed... and those that don't understand merge in turn....

Couple merge in turn with "use both lanes" and you just have a recipe for disaster due to muppets being the police officers of the "queue" and try and block you if you come up the outside lane while everyone else sits in a mile long queue in the left hand lane.

 

[Skilid]

Couple merge in turn with "use both lanes" and you just have a recipe for disaster due to muppets being the police officers of the "queue" and try and block you if you come up the outside lane while everyone else sits in a mile long queue in the left hand lane.

Lol. I think it's well funny when a lane says it's going to be closed ahead, and someone pokes out to stop people getting passed lmao. Not that i've ever done it myself.

 

[InvaderGIR]

Without trying to sound big-headed I do this too, as I'm usually driving on motorways at night it's usually fairly easy to spot cars.

What does ERDT stand for? Emergency Response Driving T?

Training?

Emergency Response Driver Training - I expect

It's mostly common sense and common curtsy to be honest (in terms of what Draeger has mentioned with regards to motorway joining etc.).

I'm always checking that I'm not in someone's way and that I have plenty of space to make manoeuvres like overtake someone without pulling out on a faster moving vehicle. But it does get irritating when someone sees you are travelling faster and refuses to pull in and sits in the outside lane in front of you when they could easily pull in, let you past, then pull back out again. It is also annoying with what Fox has said, people overtaking a few mph faster (often due to something like me using correct lane etiquette and then happening upon a much slower driver) who refuse to move over or speed up a bit to let me out.

 

[cheets64]

I did pass plus and was taught always to get into the 2nd land with a junction coming up, fact is people are oblivious, just as bad as driving on normal roads, motorways are the same but double the speed. Why the DVLA dont enforce people to have lesson/teaching on motorways, best thing I ever did doing pass plus, one hour on a motorway was not enough but learnt a lot, when I was on it a coach pulled out right in front of me and I had to swerve.

 

[Grad]

Lol. I think it's well funny when a lane says it's going to be closed ahead, and someone pokes out to stop people getting passed lmao. Not that i've ever done it myself.

Saw a chap in a Skoda Roomster with the most magnificent beard doing this last week in the opposite carriageway. He was sat straddled between lane 2 and 3 with his hazards on about half a mile from the "merge point" with a queue of cars in lane 3. Amusing

 

[Draeger]

What does ERDT stand for? Emergency Response Driving T?

Emergency Response Driver Training. "Blue light" driver training for want of a better description. Police, Fire ( in my case although sadly I get very little opportunity to drive nowadays since promotion last year ) and Ambulance services all employ the same teaching and ethos with ERDT training.

 

[Skilid]

I did pass plus and was taught always to get into the 2nd land with a junction coming up, fact is people are oblivious, just as bad as driving on normal roads, motorways are the same but double the speed. Why the DVLA dont enforce people to have lesson/teaching on motorways, best thing I ever did doing pass plus, one hour on a motorway was not enough but learn a lot, when I was on it a coach pulled out right in front of me and I had to swerve.

Why on earth would you 'always' pull out? There just isn't a need for it.

Saw a chap in a Skoda Roomster with the most magnificent beard doing this last week in the opposite carriageway. He was sat straddled between lane 2 and 3 with his hazards on about half a mile from the "merge point" with a queue of cars in lane 3. Amusing

Does make me chuckle lol.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Why on earth would you 'always' pull out? There just isn't a need for it.

If the road is otherwise completely clear there isnt much harm in it but I agree, I only move out if there is traffic coming down the sliproad.

In future though I am going to stay on the inside and block them, WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE expecting me to move!

 

[Richie]

Do you really care?
I usually thank people myself, not bothered whether I receive any or not though.

I don't lose sleep over it

In that situation do you not think you're both as bad as each other? I'd rather put some distance between myself and people with that attitude than sit there stubbornly. Perhaps you should put a sign in your rear passenger window " I'M ON CRUISE CONTROL !!?!"

P'raps but then its not me that's running out of road soon

I say that last comment tongue-in-cheek.

The reason I mention I am on CC in my posts is to highlight the fact that, even with plenty of time to react, the merging driver does NOTHING to alter their road position but practically demands that the driver that actually has right of way change their position. That's like someone demanding you stop whilst on a roundabout to let them come in from an entrance to the same roundabout...

 

[Skilid]

If the road is otherwise completely clear there isnt much harm in it but I agree, I only move out if there is traffic coming down the sliproad.

In future though I am going to stay on the inside and block them, WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE expecting me to move!

One of the reasons I tend to not pull out sometimes is because 9/10 when I have my cruise set at 70/75, I will move over to let them on, and then they just blast off at 90+ in the slow lane, leaving me looking like a willy in the second lane. So I just tend to adjust my speed ever so slightly so that they can pull on in front/behind me. Seems to have done me all right so far.

 

[sigma]

Training?

Emergency Response Driver Training - I expect

I did think that but then to say you're ERDT trained sounds a bit odd, you're Emergency Response Driver Training trained? Perhaps it's just me.

Emergency Response Driver Training. "Blue light" driver training for want of a better description. Police, Fire ( in my case although sadly I get very little opportunity to drive nowadays since promotion last year ) and Ambulance services all employ the same teaching and ethos with ERDT training.

Someone I (sort of) know who is trained in what I assume to be the same manner offered to sit in the car with people to show them how to improve their driving by first watching out they drive. Was many miles away so I didn't take him up on the offer but it would be interesting to see what he has to say. Congratulations on the promotion.

 

[Dabbles]

I'm guessing some of you guys are the ones that go steaming up behind people expecting them to move over asap when there is the slightest gap.

Similarly, I'm guessing you're one of those guys who doesn't move out of the overtaking lane when you've finished overtaking, even if someone is behind you wanting to go faster?

 

[Richie]

I did pass plus and was taught always to get into the 2nd land with a junction coming up,

Question on this (playing Devil's Advocate as well to be honest):

Lets say you are in lane 1 travelling 50MPH
Lane 2 is travelling at 60MPH
Lane 3 is travelling at 70MPH

A sliproad is approaching. You move into lane 2 and, most probably, maintain your speed of 50MPH thereby slowing down that lane and causing congestion to build up.

no one enters from the sliproad.


Does this not cause unnecessary congestion that many people on here are arguing by NOT doing as you say you do at every junction on a M-Way ?

 

[InvaderGIR]

I did think that but then to say you're ERDT trained sounds a bit odd, you're Emergency Response Driver Training trained? Perhaps it's just me.

True...but I guessed it right it seems.

I guess 'ERD Trained' is more apt really, but the course (at another guess) is 'ERDT' so it's just said 'ERDT Trained'.