Teacher doesn't like smelling children, gets banned.

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vonhelmet said:
Wet yourself at primary school, get stood in the corner on newspaper in your wet clothes.

Wait, what?
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Don't have a go at Cheets cause dem are de rulez.
My wife is a primary school teacher and she is not allowed to change the kids when they wet or poo themselves.
Instead she has to phone parents/grand parents/aunties etc who can come to school and change the child.
Even if she the rang the parent up and they gave permission to change their child she still can't do it.

And I'm with Cheets on bringing proper discipline back to the classroom and putting the authority back into the hands of the adult.
 
My girlfriend is a "SEN-LSA" at a school in Bristol and she's mentioned that a lot of the kids there smell because their parents don't wash them for weeks.

None of the staff are allowed to mention it to the parents or ask the children why they don't get washed at home for fear of repercussions for "interfering".
 
That is no justification for pish covered children having to stand on a specific spot infront of classmates until something can be rectified. That is humiliating.

It clearly isn't normal policy for a teacher to do that.

Also, most kids at school age can dress themself.
 
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My girlfriend is a "SEN-LSA" at a school in Bristol and she's mentioned that a lot of the kids there smell because their parents don't wash them for weeks.

None of the staff are allowed to mention it to the parents or ask the children why they don't get washed at home for fear of repercussions for "interfering".
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Rubbish. If it is the case, they are all failing their duties.

You have a responsibility as a teacher. The school would consult with social workers if it was a continuing problem.
 
Biohazard said:
That is no justification for pish covered children having to stand on a specific spot infront of classmates until something can be rectified. That is humiliating.

It clearly isn't normal policy for a teacher to do that.

Also, most kids at school age can dress themself.
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My wife is looking at this saying you have no clue.
A child messes themself and all she can do is ring reception until contact can be made with relatives.
She can't leave the classroom because that will leave a load of 5 to 7 year olds on their own which is a big no no.
Where are the childs spare clothes? The wife says they are lucky if they turn up wearing a normal amount of clothes (no socks, no underpants/knickers, no coat in winter).
All she can do is put the child to the side until a relative comes.
And before you ask there isn't always an assistant available.
 
dmpoole said:
My wife is looking at this saying you have no clue.
A child messes themself and all she can do is ring reception until contact can be made with relatives.
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I couldn't care less about your wifes crap opinions be fair dm.

It is not right to stand children at the side of the class on newspaper because they have wet themself.



dmpoole said:
She can't leave the classroom because that will leave a load of 5 to 7 year olds on their own which is a big no no.
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Teachers can leave children alone for a short period if there is enough reason too, or more frequently they would send another child to where ever with a message for another member of staff.

dmpoole said:
Where are the childs spare clothes? The wife says they are lucky if they turn up wearing a normal amount of clothes (no socks, no underpants/knickers, no coat in winter).
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Children don't come with spare clothes, although this isn't the issue.

Thinking that standing kids covered in pish on newspaper infront of their peers is acceptable clearly is wrong.



dmpoole said:
All she can do is put the child to the side until a relative comes.
And before you ask there isn't always an assistant available.
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I presume the wife thinks that the teacher shouldn't have been banned, and that the decision is completely wrong in that case is it?
 
dirtydog said:
Wise words TBH
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I can never take you seriously.

If this was the other way round and it was a Bangladeshi teacher doing it to white British kids, you'd be up in arms about it.

I know you will deny this, but pretty much the anyone who has ever seen a post of yours knows it is true.
 
Biohazard said:
Rubbish. If it is the case, they are all failing their duties.

You have a responsibility as a teacher. The school would consult with social workers if it was a continuing problem.
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They contact social workers frequently regarding different children, but they're spread thinly and only get properly involved when staff suspect a child may be getting beaten at home or a few kids from the same family all look a state on a day to day basis.

The 3 kids she is "assigned" to all have a social worker (possibly the same one iirc), but they have to wait until the child actually says something to them regarding their home life, they're not allowed to directly ask them as it's seen as coaxing an answer out of them they may not have normally given...
 
Biohazard said:
I couldn't care less about your wifes crap opinions be fair dm.
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It isn't her opinions, it's the schools policy which she has to abide by otherwise she can be reprimanded and even worse - be accused of inappropriate touching of the children.
She is not allowed to help a child undress, clean their private parts and then get dressed again even if there was spare clothes.
I don't think you're understanding this part.
Being a Mother and a decent human being her instinct is to help the child and it upsets her a lot when she can't.
You also don't know how many times at the dinner table I have heard the 'child soiled themselves' story and she is powerless.
It also doesn't help that her children are 'special' and are therefore more prone to soiling themselves.

Biohazard said:
I presume the wife thinks that the teacher shouldn't have been banned, and that the decision is completely wrong in that case is it?
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As far as I know she doesn't know the story, if it didn't make the 6 o'clock news she wouldn't know.
I just pointed her to your post.

And don't get me started on the school policy for how they deal with an asthma attack when the child has lost their inhaler and there isn't a spare one locked in the cupboard.
Go on then, several teachers just stood their powerless while the child had an attack and the only thing they could do was phone for the Paramedics.
Of course in that time the child could be dead but handing somebody elses inhaler would be considered assault (!).
In the end a little girl handed one to her.
 
int said:
They contact social workers frequently regarding different children, but they're spread thinly and only get properly involved when staff suspect a child may be getting beaten at home or a few kids from the same family all look a state on a day to day basis.

The 3 kids she is "assigned" to all have a social worker (possibly the same one iirc), but they have to wait until the child actually says something to them regarding their home life, they're not allowed to directly ask them as it's seen as coaxing an answer out of them they may not have normally given...
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They do not have to wait until such occasion. If they have clear evidence of abuse or harm they should contact social services immediately and they do not have to inform the parent.

Unfortunately, some schools and social work departments serve their community far better than others. That is no excuse however.
 
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I thought this was typical BS of the socialist education system. If it was private she would have got fired (if they were unhappy with her) and she could still get a job as a teacher some where else, if they wanted to hire her. But in this system they completely destroy your career over the most silly of things.

When i was in school teachers did much worse things, threw board dusters at us, completely humiliated us and all sorts of things. What this teacher did was nothing serious and the moaning parents should be ashamed of how pathetic they are.
 
I had a teacher who would throw board pens at morons, none of us had a problem with that. I wouldn't do it to my students but if they're old enough they can man up. Define completely humiliate. Perhaps what you found normal treatment is not how it should have been, or is acceptable. I'd hope those things didn't happen to you at primary school though.

dmpoole said:
And don't get me started on the school policy for how they deal with an asthma attack when the child has lost their inhaler and there isn't a spare one locked in the cupboard.
Go on then, several teachers just stood their powerless while the child had an attack and the only thing they could do was phone for the Paramedics.
Of course in that time the child could be dead but handing somebody elses inhaler would be considered assault (!).
In the end a little girl handed one to her.
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I'm okay with everything you've said so far, but they're not even allowed to ask if anyone HAS an inhaler? :eek:

Pardon me if I'm wrong but aren't they supposed to have all the children's medical details, contact of their doctor and some 'general' medical supplies to cater for that in case of an emergency?

Don't take that as an attack, I'm genuinely concerned for the circumstances and curious about the policies. It's been a while since I was a primary school and can't really remember how it was for me back then.
 
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dmpoole said:
It isn't her opinions, it's the schools policy which she has to abide by otherwise she can be reprimanded and even worse - be accused of inappropriate touching of the children.
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Rubbish 'its policy'.

There can be mitigating circumstances not justifiable in this context but that remains none the less. As I've said children are routinely used a messengers themself if help is required. You also seem to believe teachers all have phones somehow so just call. You don't make them stand to the side wet infront of the class on newspaper. It is not acceptable.


dmpoole said:
She is not allowed to help a child undress, clean their private parts and then get dressed again even if there was spare clothes.
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Who cares you are repeating what has already been said.

I said

Biohazard said:
That is no justification for pish covered children having to stand on a specific spot infront of classmates until something can be rectified. That is humiliating.

It clearly isn't normal policy for a teacher to do that.

Also, most kids at school age can dress themself.
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You said

My wife is looking at this saying you have no clue. A child messes themself and all she can do is ring reception until contact can be made with relatives.She can't leave the classroom because that will leave a load of 5 to 7 year olds on their own which is a big no no.
Where are the childs spare clothes? The wife says they are lucky if they turn up wearing a normal amount of clothes (no socks, no underpants/knickers, no coat in winter).
All she can do is put the child to the side until a relative comes.
And before you ask there isn't always an assistant available.
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You and your wife are talking crap.

It is not policy or acceptable to stand children at the side of the class covered in wee until whenever let alone on top of newspaper.

You'll do some running around, this and that. But whatever, who cares. I remember why I was ignoring you now.


Biohazard said:
I don't think you're understanding this part.
Being a Mother and a decent human being her instinct is to help the child and it upsets her a lot when she can't.
You also don't know how many times at the dinner table I have heard the 'child soiled themselves' story and she is powerless.
It also doesn't help that her children are 'special' and are therefore more prone to soiling themselves.
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I understand it perfectly.

It is straw man crap.
 
dmpoole said:
My wife is looking at this saying you have no clue.
A child messes themself and all she can do is ring reception until contact can be made with relatives.
She can't leave the classroom because that will leave a load of 5 to 7 year olds on their own which is a big no no.
Where are the childs spare clothes? The wife says they are lucky if they turn up wearing a normal amount of clothes (no socks, no underpants/knickers, no coat in winter).
All she can do is put the child to the side until a relative comes.
And before you ask there isn't always an assistant available.
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that is madness.

Something similar happened to my boy in primary school, the teacher took him to the med room, cleaned him up and gave him something to wear from lost property.

They then contacted us to inform us of the situation.

I don't dispute your wife, but that policy is obviously not statutory and the school/LEA she works for needs to look at that kind of nonsence policy.
 
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Hellsmk2 said:
I can never take you seriously.

If this was the other way round and it was a Bangladeshi teacher doing it to white British kids, you'd be up in arms about it.

I know you will deny this, but pretty much the anyone who has ever seen a post of yours knows it is true.
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No, if my child was in a Bangladesh school I would support their culture and way of life not flaunt it thinking its ok to send children to school smelling. Clean Hygiene is simple human trait of the western world.
 
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cheets64 said:
No, if my child was in a Bangladesh school I would support their culture and way of life not flaunt it thinking its ok to send children to school smelling. Clean Hygiene is simple human trait of the western world.
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Do you have much of this problem in Wigan?

Because somehow I'm guessing you really wouldn't.

Even if these assertions are true.
 
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