Cost of tumour killing liquid

kenmare said:
Not sure you'll stick by your words if you ever did God forbid get cancer. :p
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My best friend took himself off chemo - the last three months of his life (except the ver last two weeks) were better than any of the 9 months whilst we was on chemo.

Quality of life is terrible when being treated for cancer.
 
amigafan2003 said:
My best friend took himself off chemo - the last three months of his life (except the ver last two weeks) were better than any of the 9 months whilst we was on chemo.

Quality of life is terrible when being treated for cancer.
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But surely it's worth it if it enables you live? Obviously if its terminal then thats a different matter.
 
Merlin5 said:
Ok, no cookies, sorry. :p

It's sixteen grand the NHS pay for, for just two spoonfuls of liquid. :eek:

She had a patient with a tumour or tumours. She said this liquid is normally used as a last resort for people that really don't want the discomfort of chemo. The liquid completely destroyed the tumour very fast. She said the prohibitive cost was mostly due to the the research that goes into it.
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I'm sorry, but this is BS. I am an oncology pharmacist in a large hospital and I can say with 100% certainty there is no magic "liquid" that can kill tumours just like that. Actually, any substance that kills cancer is chemo, but that's by-the-by).

So many drugs cost thousands PER VIAL, most patients require a number of these EVERY 3 WEEKS.

Again, this is complete BS

G.
 
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Grahame said:
I'm sorry, but this is BS. I am an oncology pharmacist in a large hospital and I can say with 100% certainty there is no magic "liquid" that can kill tumours just like that. Actually, any substance that kills cancer is chemo, but that's by-the-by).

So many drugs cost thousands PER VIAL, most patients require a number of these EVERY 3 WEEKS.

Again, this is complete BS

G.
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With all due respect, this woman studied for about 15 years to attain several degrees, and now is a consultant at the royal free. So I hardly think she's talking BS.
 
Again, it is simply NOT true, or at least in the context of a magic liquid that can kill tumours better than conventional chemo. The biggest flaw in this claim is this:

Several of the standard chemotherapy drugs cost thousands per dose, with patients requiring several courses. (I can think of several that cost 5k per course). If there is a substance that can completely kill tumours, for 16k per dose, with cureable results where other chemo fails, then this would be available on the NHS (unless you are a conspiracy theorist and believe otherwise)..

Such a substance is the holy grail of cancer treatment, and if it existed, no matter the cost, everyone would know about it, never mind a professional in the field.

Many many substances can completely kill cancer dead, unfortunately they also kill the person at the same time.

I am not trying to trash the ladies education but at the same time, I have practiced for many years in this area and spend every working day of my life dealing with chemo and cancer patients and therefore I think I am educated enough on the subject to know this is simply not true


She could be talking about something along the lines of a genetically engineered substance based on certain bacteria that can disable certain oral cancers related to HPV infections, but such things are still in the early days of clinical research and don't have any mainstay in treatment yet.
 
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Look at the cost of orphan drugs.

GHB (invented in 1874) costs about £50 per kilo to manufacture on a tiny scale, price at the pharmacy is £4,000!
 
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That's not really that bad, there are other cancer treatments that the NHS simply can't afford. Though they are not a cure.

As consumers we're used to seeing small numbers. The costs are often silly when it gets above consumer level.

Who can tell me how much one 10Gb Ethernet SFP (~2 inch long laser transceiver) for multi-mode cable costs?
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A switch contains loads of these.
 
My auntie works for a large pharmaceutical company. She told me that only her company and a company in America make a certain drug which they sold for $2 a pop. The american company recently stopped producing the drug or went out of business and now her company sells the same drug for $200 a go.
 
sanaxe1 said:
My auntie works for a large pharmaceutical company. She told me that only her company and a company in America make a certain drug which they sold for $2 a pop. The american company recently stopped producing the drug or went out of business and now her company sells the same drug for $200 a go.
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These companies have costs to meet too. A single drug can cost upwards of $500 MILLION to produce to a stage where it's ready to be marketed. Now factor in that only one in a million compounds that pharmaceutical companies make actually ever make it to market (the rest drop out at various stages along the way) and you can see why it costs so much to make these drugs.
When the company has competition that can sell the drug at a cheaper price, they have no alternative but to lower their price, once the competition is gone, they can go back to their original business model.
 
If she works in 'radioactive substances' is this liquid radioactive?
This is such a non-story!

What it is?
How does it work?
IF it works and is cheaper than other conventional cancer treatments, why don't we all know about it?!
 
BigglesPiP said:
That's not really that bad, there are other cancer treatments that the NHS simply can't afford. Though they are not a cure.

As consumers we're used to seeing small numbers. The costs are often silly when it gets above consumer level.

Who can tell me how much one 10Gb Ethernet SFP (~2 inch long laser transceiver) for multi-mode cable costs?
104696944110x11000hewle.jpg

A switch contains loads of these.
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£800?
 
BigglesPiP said:
That's not really that bad, there are other cancer treatments that the NHS simply can't afford. Though they are not a cure.

As consumers we're used to seeing small numbers. The costs are often silly when it gets above consumer level.

Who can tell me how much one 10Gb Ethernet SFP (~2 inch long laser transceiver) for multi-mode cable costs?
104696944110x11000hewle.jpg

A switch contains loads of these.
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£8k?
 
goldilocks said:
If she works in 'radioactive substances' is this liquid radioactive?
This is such a non-story!

What it is?
How does it work?
IF it works and is cheaper than other conventional cancer treatments, why don't we all know about it?!
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It was only a brief conversation, I really have no idea on all these other details. Thread is about 2 spoonfuls of liquid for £16,000. End of.
 
Merlin5 said:
It was only a brief conversation, I really have no idea on all these other details. Thread is about 2 spoonfuls of liquid for £16,000. End of.
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Why start a conversation (and a leading conversation at that) which you seem to have no details to add to?
'magic-bullet' speculation does more harm than good
 
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goldilocks said:
Why start a conversation (and a leading conversation at that) which you seem to have no details to add to?
'magic-bullet' speculation does more harm than good
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All I did was announce my shock at the cost of 2 spoonfuls of liquid with a brief explanation of what she told me. Thought people here might be interested in that. I also mentioned what she told me about it not being a one fits all solution.

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I know it isnt the same thing, but "sirtex"/"sirspheres" are around that.....

Also look up "onyx". 5k/vial, usually need more than 4.....
 
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