Went to an RR meet today and ran the EVO - 390BHP :)

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Well the MLR guys had an RR meet today at The Racing Line so decided to go along and run my car, nothing has been changed since it was at Powerstation, so one would expect similar results:-


Here is the Powerstation result on what was a very cold day:-

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Highlights were corrected engine power at crank of 397BHP, 299BHP at the wheels and circa 355lb/ft. All I questioned was what appeared to be a low torque figure as the BHP seems about right. :)


Here are todays results from the Racing Line, car the same, though it was warmer.


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Crank flywheel of 390BHP, power at the wheels of 305BHP and torque seems to be where it should be at circa 380lb/ft with a lovely power graph, infact it was said to be one of the best of day the on the X's. :)


This is a different dyno to what Powerstation uses but it still a two-contact patch dyno but is said to be very accurate for at the wheel figures. :)

Still good day out and the owner who specialises in tuning X's commented as to why FQ-360's make such good power with just an exhaust. Basically on the FQ-360 the ECU has a higher boost target set than what is achievable so when you let the car breathe the car comes closer to hitting this boost target and hence such good power increase of 30+ BHP from just an exhaust. :)
 
Panzerbjorn said:
Nice!

I take it the Forge Motorsport bits haven't been added yet. It will be interesting to see if/how much those mods improve your stats. :)
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Not yet but doubtful they will make any difference, that will come from remap if thats something I decide to do.

With those bits and a map I could be looking at around 410BHP with 420lb/ft. :)
 
It always amazes me how much bhp you loose through the drive train on a 4x4 its insane 85bhp thats the power of a small hatchback :eek:

Nevertheless thats still good figures from just an exhaust you must be chuffed.
 
This is not mine, one of the other Red X's, they were common as muck today:-


Not a good idea to stand behind an X with de-catted exhaust, even more so one thats been mapped for pops and bangs on the over-run. :D
 
nice to see the power figure is broadly similar. I found as much when i got my VXR dyno'd on an american Mustang dyno at Courtenay Sport.
 
MrLOL said:
just need an fmic and a remap to get the magic 400 now :D
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A remap with FMIC could yield as high as 420/420. :D

Problem is remap worries me because of two things, if its Ecutek done my warranty is void and secondly some EVO X engines have let go a little over 400BHP, wheras others are fine at 500BHP. Though the ones at 400BHP from what I can gather were mapped poorly or had something important change and were not re-mapped to account for that change.

Gonna get the FMIC and other goodies fitted, then enquire into mapping like I did with the Mustang via a handheld tuner where at dealership level they can't actually tell its been mapped without sending the ECU off too HQ. So gonna investigate that more as in theory I could map the car and when it goes in for warranty claims just flash back the stock map or a map modified that simply cures the over-fueling. :)

Todays RR was useful as I met a guy who makes a living out of inspecting blown up engines to find out the cause as such. He simply said if something brakes on the car and manufacturer disputes warranty the manufacturer actually has to prove the modification caused it as such. He was telling me about how certain manufacturers have blamed certain modification for things braking wheras upon investigation the reason was due to use of components that were at fault at time of manufacturer and sucessfully paid out claims.

So need to look into remapping, Ecutek is definetely a no go as that can be seen at dealership level and its instant warranty void, though you could disput it with that above, but would just be easier to map the car with Ecuflash which at dealership level can't be identified and get a handheld unit so I can return the car to stock at any time or change maps. Was a joy with the Mustang and made tuning it easy. :)
 
Gibbo said:
A remap with FMIC could yield as high as 420/420.
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420 BHP from that is stunning, incredible to think you match my Scania if you hit that!

The torque is a tad behind. ;) that said though,unless I'm googling wrong, My 12 litre 6pot diesel has (1549 lbf/ft.), your 2litre 4pot petrol currently puts out(343 lb/ft) :eek: Given the extra displacement my truck has, your figure is incredible when you think about it! :cool:
 
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R420LA6X2/4MNA said:
420 BHP from that is stunning, incredible to think you match my Scania if you hit that!

The torque is a tad behind. ;) that said though,unless I'm googling wrong, My 12 litre in line 6 diesel has (1549 lbf/ft.), your 2litre 4por petrol currently puts out(343 lb/ft) :eek: - incredible when you think about it! :cool:

Impressive. :cool:
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How many gears you got?
 
Very impressive to get such a gain without mapping.

On the remap thing, would you not be running more risk running modifications without a map than you are with getting it mapped? (genuine question, I've no idea about Evos)

Also, does no one do a user-removable map similar to DS/Bluefin?
 
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MikeHiow said:
Very impressive to get such a gain without mapping.

On the remap thing, would you not be running more risk running modifications without a map than you are with getting it mapped? (genuine question, I've no idea about Evos)

Also, does no one do a user-removable map similar to DS/Bluefin?
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It depends what you do mate, generally if an EVO is left on its stock map, it can only perform as good as the peak of what the stock map allows. So an FQ-300 won't go much over 330-340BHP no matter how much you improve breating, mods etc. and a FQ-330 won't go much beyond 350BHP.

The FQ-360 is however has a rather high boost target which it can't achieve in stock form, when you let the car breathe, so exhaust, de-cats, air filters, downpipes, turbo elbows etc. the car can breathe, but even if you do all that the best it will see is about 400-405BHP and circa 395lb/ft and as the Mitsubishi FQ maps run pig rich things are needless to say safe. :)

A guy there today was telling me how he fitted FP red bigger turbo, exhaust, filter, downpipe, turbo elbow etc. to his and the stock FQ-360 map made 420BHP and 450lb/ft from the stock map. However once it was mapped it made 520BHP and 460lb/ft. But a year later it dropped a piston or something, but upon examination the fault was found to be a faulty piston from the factory which caused the failure. So Mitsubishi replaced it under warranty even after been ecutek remapped, but there was a *BUT* they said if he fitted any of the kit on the new engine his warranty was void.

The problem/danger seems to come from the remaps, people getting remaps and been tuned, then they change parts without then getting remapped again, that seems to cause the issue. :(
 
R420LA6X2/4MNA said:
420 BHP from that is stunning, incredible to think you match my Scania if you hit that!

The torque is a tad behind. ;) that said though,unless I'm googling wrong, My 12 litre 6pot diesel has (1549 lbf/ft.), your 2litre 4pot petrol currently puts out(343 lb/ft) :eek: Given the extra displacement my truck has, your figure is incredible when you think about it! :cool:
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Hey its 380lb/ft. ;) :p
 
Freefaller said:
Looks like smooth power power delivery too. Nice to see the boost come on early too.
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Yeah it was the smoothest of the X's and was noticed, caused a crowd, I put it down to the car been used daily and now been on 50,000 miles. :)

I firmly believe a 3yr old car with 50,000 miles is a better one than one with 10,000 miles. Simply because cars need to be used, when they sit in garages un-used problems arise, OK maybe not as much on cars such as these.

But I've looked at cars such a Ferrari 360's and the ones with sub 10k mile are nothing but a nightmare, constantly having issues as they don't get used, wheras the ones which are used regular/daily with far more miles simply don't seem to have issues. :)
 
Gibbo said:
It depends what you do mate, generally if an EVO is left on its stock map, it can only perform as good as the peak of what the stock map allows. So an FQ-300 won't go much over 330-340BHP no matter how much you improve breating, mods etc. and a FQ-330 won't go much beyond 350BHP.

The FQ-360 is however has a rather high boost target which it can't achieve in stock form, when you let the car breathe, so exhaust, de-cats, air filters, downpipes, turbo elbows etc. the car can breathe, but even if you do all that the best it will see is about 400-405BHP and circa 395lb/ft and as the Mitsubishi FQ maps run pig rich things are needless to say safe. :)

A guy there today was telling me how he fitted FP red bigger turbo, exhaust, filter, downpipe, turbo elbow etc. to his and the stock FQ-360 map made 420BHP and 450lb/ft from the stock map. However once it was mapped it made 520BHP and 460lb/ft. But a year later it dropped a piston or something, but upon examination the fault was found to be a faulty piston from the factory which caused the failure. So Mitsubishi replaced it under warranty even after been ecutek remapped, but there was a *BUT* they said if he fitted any of the kit on the new engine his warranty was void.

The problem/danger seems to come from the remaps, people getting remaps and been tuned, then they change parts without then getting remapped again, that seems to cause the issue. :(
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Ah, that makes total sense. The car aims for higher boost than it makes standard (obviously monitoring things like airflow and charge temps?), and thus adapts when breathing is improved? A surprising, but noble move by Mitsubishi if that was intentional.

I'm not surprised the chap you spoke to saw gains from mapping after running a different turbo etc. If you're just sticking to breathing mods, and the ECU can "adapt" then it makes sense to limit your mods to bolt on stuff until your warranty is up :)

There is a similar grey cloud around mapping on the VXRs. There seem to be an unusually high number of engine failures once mapped, but almost none standard. In the end, whilst Vauxhall acknowledged the issue, I believe most cases pointed to one particular tuner, IIRC.

My point being, the map is only going to be as good as the person mapping it - good information is hard to come by on the internet, though, as everyone will usually be there sat pimping the tuner they used (the closest to them, probably) - impartial advice seems almost non-existent on stuff like this.
 
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MikeHiow said:
Ah, that makes total sense. The car aims for higher boost than it makes standard (obviously monitoring things like airflow and charge temps?), and thus adapts when breathing is improved? A surprising, but noble move by Mitsubishi if that was intentional.

I'm not surprised the chap you spoke to saw gains from mapping after running a different turbo etc. If you're just sticking to breathing mods, and the ECU can "adapt" then it makes sense to limit your mods to bolt on stuff until your warranty is up :)

There is a similar grey cloud around mapping on the VXRs. There seem to be an unusually high number of engine failures once mapped, but almost none standard. In the end, whilst Vauxhall acknowledged the issue, I believe most cases pointed to one particular tuner, IIRC.

My point being, the map is only going to be as good as the person mapping it - good information is hard to come by on the internet, though, as everyone will usually be there sat pimping the tuner they used (the closest to them, probably) - impartial advice seems almost non-existent on stuff like this.
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Good mappers are worth their weight in gold, that is fact. Proven in my ownership of the Mustang, without even seeing the car they were able to map the car, get nearly 600BHP from it, get the fuelling spot on and the car never put a foot wrong. :)

I did a lot of research though, it makes sense when you see one tuner who is pushing engines towards 700BHP on stock internals with no failures, yet other tuners are blowing engines at 500BHP. That for me was the decider plus the guys tuning towards 700BHP were the most popular and also got appointed by Saleen/Ford to start mapping for them.

Its why I am kind of tempted to start talking to the guys US side regarding mapping the X as over there they seem to manage 500BHP on stock internals easily, wheras here in the UK they struggle past 400BHP. Makes one wonder if the Americans have more experience mapping EVO's or are just better at it? Or when it comes to EVO's they just lie about the power figures, which is rumoured, so bit of an unknown really.
 
I'm not sure those making the most power on standard engines are automatically going to be the better mappers - they could just be the ones taking more risks, and pushing things closer to the limit.

I have a friend who built a near 600bhp, daily driver, Evo 7 a few years back (which I believe is still going strong today!), and has had his fair share of 5s and 6s since. I can enquire as to who he recommends for mapping, if you like? If you have a credible initial recommendation, at least you have a basis to do some extensive research.

Edit: after a quick search of our local forum, I think it was Mark Shead / M.A.D. that did it - it would seem he is/they are very popular with evo owners over here. I will still enquire, none the less.
 
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