does God exist in space?

He certainly existed, thats not disputable, whether or not said individual was actually the son of god, well thats a different matter. David Blaine exists, but I dont believe he has magical powers :D

It is disputable, given that there's no direct evidence. The closest is later accounts by people about what other people believed to be true.

I think he existed, but I wouldn't say it was indisputable.
 
Well of course it is!

In all the drawings and stories I have known, hell has always been under the earth.

TQsZG.jpg
 
It is disputable, given that there's no direct evidence. The closest is later accounts by people about what other people believed to be true.

I think he existed, but I wouldn't say it was indisputable.

Well to be honest, I shouldnt have used that word, as absolutely everything in existence is disputable. There are "official" records of a Jesus of Nazareth, though any record, ancient or modern could be disputed. We could dispute the age of a dinosaur bone, or the temperature of the sun, so yes, it was the wrong word to use.
 
Science is constantly discovering new things, and it is sometimes completely disproving previous ideas. Nowhere has science disproven God, nor will it ever be able too because science has its limitations. Everything is not measurable by physical observation.

Plus the Quran spoke 1400 years ago of the heavens and earth being joined as one unit of creation:

"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of Creation), before we clove them asunder?

Science seems to agree with this idea now.

firstly, science has nothing to say about god at all as Science is agnostic by definition. It deals in the physical, natural & observable world. It has nothing to say with regard to the supernatural as it is untestable, meaning it cannot be proven to exist. and if something has no proof of existance it is generally disregarded.

Regarding your passage about the Quran, that can be interpreted in any way you see fit. It proves nothing so quoting it is pointless.

Proof is what it all comes down to in the end. If you have evidence for something then present it, otherwise words are meaningless.

Science has proved itself time and time again over the centuries, discovery after discovery being attributed to man, not god.

memegenoreilly2.jpeg
 
Well to be honest, I shouldnt have used that word, as absolutely everything in existence is disputable. There are "official" records of a Jesus of Nazareth, though any record, ancient or modern could be disputed. We could dispute the age of a dinosaur bone, or the temperature of the sun, so yes, it was the wrong word to use.

There aren't official records of a Jesus of Nazareth. There are records a while after the alleged life and death of an un-named person whom followers of a new cult (Christianity) believed to have existed.
 
There aren't official records of a Jesus of Nazareth. There are records a while after the alleged life and death of an un-named person whom followers of a new cult (Christianity) believed to have existed.

I didnt say they were official records of the time, it entirely depends upon who is declaring something official, hence me putting the word in speech marks. Even Richard Dawkins says that the chances are that he existed as an actual person.
 
Right so some old book making a few odd statements and then later on finding them to be right make a good argument?
Secondly, as others have said God solves no problems. The fact that you believe in a supernatural eternal object makes me wonder why you cannot simply say that the universe has always existed. It takes a few steps out of the series.

The odd statement in an old book doesn't make a good argument, it is simply one argument.

Its a shame though that he doesnt maintain and observe everything a little better, like I dont know, stopping babies being raped and earthquakes killing thousands of innocent children.

You view death as a negative thing, but it isn't. I suppose it is if you are in love with this world and spend your whole life accumulating as much as you can, you would not want it to end, but I think we can all agree that one day it will.

firstly, science has nothing to say about god at all as Science is agnostic by definition. It deals in the physical, natural & observable world. It has nothing to say with regard to the supernatural as it is untestable, meaning it cannot be proven to exist. and if something has no proof of existance it is generally disregarded.

Regarding your passage about the Quran, that can be interpreted in any way you see fit. It proves nothing so quoting it is pointless.

Proof is what it all comes down to in the end. If you have evidence for something then present it, otherwise words are meaningless.

Science has proved itself time and time again over the centuries, discovery after discovery being attributed to man, not god.

Discovery after discovery is attributed to man, yet you cannot answer who gave man his consciousness, his ability to reason, to learn, to understand etc. I am simply saying it was not by random chance or by som fluke, but that there is a Creator who is far above everything else in existance.
 
You view death as a negative thing, but it isn't. I suppose it is if you are in love with this world and spend your whole life accumulating as much as you can, you would not want it to end, but I think we can all agree that one day it will.

Trust me, if my 3 year old child was killed, I would absolutely view it as a negative thing. If a 6 month old baby was raped, I would absolutely view it as a negative thing.
 
Regarding your passage about the Quran, that can be interpreted in any way you see fit. It proves nothing so quoting it is pointless.

lolwut? what do you mean interpreted in any way, its there in plane English. At the time of the revelation of the Quran, the word “space” was not known, and people used the word “heaven” to refer to what lies above the Earth. In the above verse, the word “heaven” is referring to space and the known universe.

Also read a few lines before and after the passage then you will understand the context.

I'm happy with the Quran, its a book with facts that are scientifically proven.

edit:

Trust me, if my 3 year old child was killed, I would absolutely view it as a negative thing. If a 6 month old baby was raped, I would absolutely view it as a negative thing.

well, as humans we are placed on this earth by God for a reason and its a test to see if we will follow the way of good faith or the devil. Well of course the rape scenario is a negative thing but don't forget we are given freewill to follow Satan or God.
 
Last edited:
The odd statement in an old book doesn't make a good argument, it is simply one argument.



You view death as a negative thing, but it isn't. I suppose it is if you are in love with this world and spend your whole life accumulating as much as you can, you would not want it to end, but I think we can all agree that one day it will.



Discovery after discovery is attributed to man, yet you cannot answer who gave man his consciousness, his ability to reason, to learn, to understand etc. I am simply saying it was not by random chance or by som fluke, but that there is a Creator who is far above everything else in existance.

You really need to take a biology class mate, complexity is one of the worst arguments of all time. Evolution is not just chance, I cannot believe you actually fail to understand this.
The flaws in the Argument from Design are several. First, using the existence of complexity as a proof for God amounts to a self-contradiction; second, a common form of this argument (made famous by William Paley) misunderstands how humans identify intelligent design; and third, a common version of this argument that is based on probability misrepresents the role of randomness in evolution.1 Let's look at each of these in turn.

Setting aside any appeal to Darwinism for the moment, what could it possibly mean to say that complexity in living things implies the existence of an intelligent designer like God? One can only assume that God, whatever that term might refer to, must have at least as much complexity as anything He is supposed to have designed. Given the theist’s assumption that complexity requires a designer, God’s own complexity implies that He also had a designer. Either the theist is arguing for an infinite regress of God-designers and designers of God-designers, etc., or he is contradicting his own assumption that complexity requires design. By using God as an “explanation” the theist is doing nothing more than explaining complexity (in living things) with complexity (God’s). But this amounts to assuming what one is trying to explain, which is no explanation at all. It just moves the mystery back a step.

This is the same logical flaw in using God to explain existence itself. The theist often asks, “If you don’t believe in God, then how do you explain the existence of the universe?” This question assumes that existence must be caused, and since the universe clearly exists, it too must be caused. The theist then concludes that God must be that cause. Now, presumably the theist supposes that God, like the universe, also exists, in which case the theist is right back to violating his own assumptions: If God exists, and existence must be caused, then by the theist’s own assumption, God must be caused. By using God as an "explanation" the theist is doing nothing more than explaining existence (the universe's) with existence (God's). And just as before, this amounts to assuming what one is trying to explain.

Typically the theist’s reply to these criticisms is that God is the one exception: All complexity except God’s complexity must be explained, and all existence except God’s existence must be explained. But this is blatant special pleading. The theist is simply exempting himself from his own rules: "Your explanation must meet these conditions; however, my explanation (God) does not." Of course, anyone can play this game. Once could just as easily (and with considerably more parsimony) say all things except the universe as a whole require an explanation.
Source Link

I like copy pasta but please can you just give up hope?
 
I am simply saying it was not by random chance or by some fluke, but that there is a Creator who is far above everything else in existance.

But here is the impasse: You cannot know that, you have no evidence for it. You are stating these things as if they are proven facts. They are not!
 
Well not really. For something to come from nothing, there had to have been a point at which it did not exist. God by definition has always existed thus did not 'appear' from anywhere. Who created God is an illogical question since it assumes God at some point did not exist which goes against the very definition of 'God'.

the universe did not come from nothing either.
 
But here is the impasse: You cannot know that, you have no evidence for it. You are stating these things as if they are proven facts. They are not!

+1
And even so the argument of complexity is perhaps the worst of all time because it has been debunked a million times over.

I see a really old religious scripture talking about science, I verify this is correct via scientific research. If the research is correct, then I know this true.
 
I see a really old religious scripture talking about science, I verify this is correct via scientific research. If the research is correct, then I know this true.
Oh so a small segment in a massive fictional book that has a few correct scientific statements that are otherwise completely false.
SUCH AS THE WORLD WAS CREATED IN SIX DAYS.
It is funny that it even completely fails at basic numeracy.
9529f0c422fe390d53697d9e37a17dca.png
 
Oh so a small segment in a massive fictional book that has a few correct scientific statements that are otherwise completely false.
SUCH AS THE WORLD WAS CREATED IN SIX DAYS.
It is funny that it even completely fails at basic numeracy.
9529f0c422fe390d53697d9e37a17dca.png

source?

EDIT: major fail. Your source is incorrect, I just checked at quran.com
 
Last edited:
God damn, not again!

I cannot be bothered with pointing out how many of you are misquoting, misrepresenting and quoting outright fallacies anymore.

Neither side can prove their assertions so why cant you simply live and let live.
 
Back
Top Bottom