does God exist in space?

So the asteroids path and trajectory were caused by the introduction of sin and now god cannot change the path of the asteroid to prevent it impacting and killing people?

Of course he could, but doesn't. Why? No one knows. You can come up with hundreds of possible reasons. From that with proof of a god there is no true free will. To teachings of people like Ellen White and the great controversy, which states that Satan challenged god and said he wasn't caring and only wanted beings that loved him through being programmed rather than free will(or something like that) So we are the great experiment to show Satan is wrong and show all other beings this. Or a hundreaf other reasons inbetween.
 
Of course he could, but doesn't. Why? No one knows. You can come up with hundreds of possible reasons. From that with proof of a god there is no true free will. To teachings of people like Ellen White and the great controversy, which states that Satan challenged god and said he wasn't caring and only wanted beings that loved him through being programmed rather than free will(or something like that) So we are the great experiment to show Satan is wrong and show all other beings this. Or a hundreaf other reasons inbetween.

So surely then , I can say I am god, because I could change the path of the asteroid but I simply choose not to.
 
So let's just see what Islam says, it says 6/8 days for creation depending on your interpretation. In b4 1 day = an odd million years give or take.
Now let's have a look at the evidence for the world being created in 6 days, it approximates to ermm Zero. Now let's take evolution for this matter, have I ever met any non debunked arguments against it? Nope.
So what faith does evolution take? Nothing.
So what faith does Islam take? Too much for my head to comprehend.
Am I happy to take well supported evidence? Yes I sure am, go and throw me some. I want to see everything you have.

Science is not set in stone you are right, but when presented with " I just disagree, this book says so." How am I supposed to accept that? I want to see what you Muslims are made of, is it all walk no talk or do you can you engage any logic here?

By the way you cannot get any more certain in science than a theory.

(Also I have not met any Alien anal probe believers, but from a statistical analysis some Muslims believers probably do exist)

The verses in the Quran which speak of God creating the heavens and the earth in x no of days, clearly cannot be referring to our 24 hr days since the Sun would not have been created.

This brings us onto the interesting subject of 'time/space', which I believe to be multi-dimensional. The Quran narrates a story of a group of youth who were being persecuted and fled and sought refuge in a cave, and although they slept for 'a day or part of a day', infact 300 years passed. Similarly, when Jesus Christ PBUH was raised up ~2000 years ago, and returns (as believe Muslims and Christians) he will not have aged more then possibly a day or so. One final mention is that the Quran also speaks of the time when after death mankind is raised up and our perception of time will be totally different to what it is now, so much so that our whole life here will have felt like part of a day. I do not expect you do believe anything I have just stated but I am just pointing our that the topic of 'time' is a very deep and difficult one which whole books have been written about! It is not simply a case of saying "earth created in 6 days = wrong."

As far as evolution goes, there are things that even Darwin was very uncomfortable with which went directly against his theory.
 
And no one would believe you. You know full well its a stupid question.

Why so? Why would no-one believe me, I have made no more wild or odd a claim than the established belief in god? Why is it suddenly silly if I say it? Maybe I am an embodiment of god right now, testing the faith of my children?
 
Bible has that covered 2nd coming has not happened so you can't be.
The difference is we know where you started what you think. The original of religion are not tracable to the same amount.
 
Bible has that covered 2nd coming has not happened so you can't be.
The difference is we know where you started what you think. The original of religion are not tracable to the same amount.

Just as well really, if people are going to say he is silly for his claims when he comes again. :)

And I could be still, regardless of what the bible says, as I could have changed my mind.

How do you know where I started?

I thought we have been saying all night that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence , so surely an absence of evidence that I am god does not mean I am not.
 
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They could but these questions are pointless. This is also from a christian point of view. A god can still exist, doesn't have to be all caring and doesn't have to have anything to do with religion. See how silly your original point was. Natural disasters does not disprove the christian god, let alone and deity.
 
They could but these questions are pointless. This is also from a christian point of view. A god can still exist, doesn't have to be all caring and doesn't have to have anything to do with religion. See how silly your original point was. Natural disasters does not disprove the christian god, let alone and deity.

Hoping you don't mean me, as I never said that natural disasters disprove god, I simply inquired as to why not stop them happening. As I say though , I could stop them, I just choose not to ;)
 
Hi

Could you explain your reasoning for why natural disasters aren't proof against the existance of a creator who cares about humans? I would be interested to hear it. The usual one that was also used after the tsunami in 2004 was that if we didn't have natural disasters then people wouldn't be able to be charitable and help out those affected. I always thought that was a bizarre notion - people have to die so the rest of the world can donate a tenner to charity and feel good about themselves.

Hi.

All I was suggesting as AcidHell pointed out was that natural disasters do not disprove the existance of God. I would never say that such a disaster happened exactly for this particular reason... we simply do not know. We shouldn't come to the conclusion that bad thing happens = definately no God, because we do not know where those people who died are now, we do not see everything. Islam says that the scales of justice must one day be balanced, and everything that was hidden will be brought out, even our innermost thoughts. This logically makes the most sense to me, I do not find it difficult to believe that the One who gave life the first time will have any difficulty in doing so once more.

I don't believe that the choices I have made have always been right, that would be arrogant.

Why does it matter to god to separate those that believe from those who dont? Surely the mere fact that god is right in front of your face , so to speak, would convince anyone at the time that he is real, so why make people suffer, sorry "test" them in advance ?

I agree that IF there was a god who created everything he would have to be more advanced than us, just as we were more advanced than cavemen to create what we have created. That doesn't mean I am going to believe that the sun and earth and everything was created by a supernatural entity, although I suppose a cavemen upon seeing a modern man flying a plane might well think it was a supernatural entity.

We all make wrong choices or do wrong, no one is perfect. We can all strive to be better in one way or another.

If you compare life here which is on average 60-70 years, to an infinite existance in the hereafter, you would agree that this life is very insignificant in comparison. The Quran describes this life as a glittering distraction and we have been repeatedly warned not to be deceived by it because one day everything will perish.

So surely then , I can say I am god, because I could change the path of the asteroid but I simply choose not to.

I would argue you cannot be god because God is not comparable to anything else in existance, whereas you are! :)
 
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We all make wrong choices or do wrong, no one is perfect. We can all strive to be better in one way or another.

If you compare life here which is on average 60-70 years, to an infinite existance in the hereafter, you would agree that this life is very insignificant in comparison. The Quran describes this life as a glittering distraction and we have been repeatedly warned not to be deceived by it because one day everything will perish.

I certainly agree that we all make mistakes and we can all do better.

However, I cannot agree that this life is insignificant in comparison because I don't believe in an afterlife so I can't in all fairness agree with your statement regarding it.
 
I certainly agree that we all make mistakes and we can all do better.

However, I cannot agree that this life is insignificant in comparison because I don't believe in an afterlife so I can't in all fairness agree with your statement regarding it.

Fair enough. :)

BTW I edited the above post to indicate why from an Islamic perspective you definately couldn't be god! ;)
 
I would argue you cannot be god because God is not comparable to anything else in existance, whereas you are! :)

Ah but then I would argue that you are only comparing this shell which I am currently using rather than the actual me , thus your dismissal on grounds of comparison is flawed and thus I can be god :)
 
Ah but then I would argue that you are only comparing this shell which I am currently using rather than the actual me , thus your dismissal on grounds of comparison is flawed and thus I can be god :)

But but...

God cannot be bound by such a limited 'shell', no offense. :P It would be like trying to put an ocean into a cup. You have to eat, or you will die, you have to sleep. God is not limited in such ways.

This one small verse in the Quran defines God:

Surah 112 - Al Ikhlas : THE PURITY OF FAITH

Say: He is God, the One and Only;
God, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.


Nothing can fit this criteria except God. Jesus Christ PBUH cannot, Muhammed PBUH cannot, YOU cannot ;) etc.
 
It's been a good read chaps, some of you deserve a pat on the back for your calm reasoning and tolerance to others views.
 
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