does God exist in space?

e36Adz said:
But but...

God cannot be bound by such a limited 'shell', no offense. :P It would be like trying to put an ocean into a cup. You have to eat, or you will die, you have to sleep. God is not limited in such ways.

This one small verse in the Quran defines God:

Surah 112 - Al Ikhlas : THE PURITY OF FAITH

Say: He is God, the One and Only;
God, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.

Nothing can fit this criteria except God. Jesus Christ PBUH cannot, Muhammed PBUH cannot, YOU cannot ;) etc.
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I am god, are you suggesting that if I choose to limit myself for a period of time, to achieve whatever aim, that I cannot?
 
Well its been a fun thread, interesting, insightful at times into the way some people on here think, educational even at times. For the record, a similar thread like this a long while ago resulted in me talking/debating with someone on here about the Quran , wish I could remember who it was but I can't, anyway after that thread I did read the Quran and found that I felt it was more plausible than the bible in regards to its contents. Similar , yet different.

Having said that, I still don't believe, nor has ultimately the bible or the quran swayed me. I guess that means I am doomed but that's fine. Que sera sera and all that.

However , its now late and its time to rest. My thanks to everyone who has chatted politely and without looking down on me for my thoughts. Sleep well all and may your day tomorrow be a good one, regardless of your beliefs :)
 
Tombstone said:
I am god, are you suggesting that if I choose to limit myself for a period of time, to achieve whatever aim, that I cannot?
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No your not! But you are persistant I'll give you that. :P

We would agree that it is not possible to fit all the oceans and seas into a tea cup, just as it is not possible to limit God into human form because if you could, it would go against the very definition of what 'God' is. You were born, whereas God was never born, you are comparable to other living things whereas God is not. You are asking if God can limit Himself for a period of time, it is an illogical scenario because God has no limitations.
 
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Tombstone said:
Well its been a fun thread, interesting, insightful at times into the way some people on here think, educational even at times. For the record, a similar thread like this a long while ago resulted in me talking/debating with someone on here about the Quran , wish I could remember who it was but I can't, anyway after that thread I did read the Quran and found that I felt it was more plausible than the bible in regards to its contents. Similar , yet different.

Having said that, I still don't believe, nor has ultimately the bible or the quran swayed me. I guess that means I am doomed but that's fine. Que sera sera and all that.

However , its now late and its time to rest. My thanks to everyone who has chatted politely and without looking down on me for my thoughts. Sleep well all and may your day tomorrow be a good one, regardless of your beliefs :)
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I must be off too, and we will agree to respectfully disagree with each other in this instance! Peace :)
 
Rexton said:
It's an invention by the late Roman government to keep the poor people of that time quiet in fear of a higher power. The Religion it'self is 100% astrological, as with many other Religions.
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Proven wrong. Religion predates Rome by at least 2500 years. There are extant written records of religion that far back. As far as we can tell, the first city and the first civilisation (Ur) were a theocracy.

If you're thinking of Christianity as if it was the only religion, as suggested by "late Roman", you'd still be wrong. Firstly, existing Roman religion had the gods playing a much larger role in human's lives than Christianity did (or does), so it would fit the control thing better. Secondly, Christianity was seen (with good reason) as being a bad thing for Rome, promoting disobedience and discontent.

Also, Christianity isn't astrological.

The world would be a better place if people just thought for themselves, rather than giving in to Religion.
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Possibly true, but if all religions suddenly disappeared, people would think for themselves and make new ones.

My view point on faith isn't a little "limited", I totally disregard such a matter, just as I would if someone came up to me with a fairytale whilst attempting to persuade me it's a true story. The entire concept is absurd.
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Yes, religions are absurd and clearly made up by people. But it's still possible that one of the many religions might be true.
 
e36Adz said:
The verses in the Quran which speak of God creating the heavens and the earth in x no of days, clearly cannot be referring to our 24 hr days since the Sun would not have been created.

This brings us onto the interesting subject of 'time/space', which I believe to be multi-dimensional. The Quran narrates a story of a group of youth who were being persecuted and fled and sought refuge in a cave, and although they slept for 'a day or part of a day', infact 300 years passed. Similarly, when Jesus Christ PBUH was raised up ~2000 years ago, and returns (as believe Muslims and Christians) he will not have aged more then possibly a day or so. One final mention is that the Quran also speaks of the time when after death mankind is raised up and our perception of time will be totally different to what it is now, so much so that our whole life here will have felt like part of a day. I do not expect you do believe anything I have just stated but I am just pointing our that the topic of 'time' is a very deep and difficult one which whole books have been written about! It is not simply a case of saying "earth created in 6 days = wrong."

As far as evolution goes, there are things that even Darwin was very uncomfortable with which went directly against his theory.
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I know some very old faerie stories that refer to time running differently in the land of the Fae, so that a human who entered a cave that was an entrance to the land of the Fae could spend a day there and find that many years have passed on Earth when they came back. Those stories have been written down. Is that proof that they are true?

Darwin wrote down everything he couldn't explain with his theory, explicitly stating the problems. Most (all?) of which have been resolved since. The theory of evolution is not just Darwin's work.

That hasn't happened with the "science" some people manage to interpret into the Koran. Which isn't surprising, since they're just winging it and have no evidence.

People who pretend that religion is science irritate me. It's the parasitic nature of it that's unclean and revolting.
 
Quick couple of questions and I should mention (although it should be obvious from my questions) I'm not clued up on religion (I find it to be illogical and nonsensical).

1) How old does Christianity/<insert Religion here> reckon the Earth is/how long have humans been around?
Surely we have found fossils and stuff from WAY before this? Doesn't this kind of discount the theory? (OMG GOD PLANTED THE FOSSILSLOL)

2) If original sin is the cause of all the suffering and general baddyness that humanity experiences then how does God justify punishing BILLIONS of people for what some silly bint did years ago?
Also if God created Man and his Lady then God KNEW that they're/we're prone to stupidity, greed and whatnot, so wtf was he expecting?
"I know... I'll give them free will and then PUNISH THE **** OUT OF THEM SHOULD THEY USE IT! MUAHAHAHAHAHAA"

If so, God's a ****, way worse than that lady who may or may not have screamed paedo at the security guard.


Forgotten my other questions but I think that'll do as a starting point.


Edit: For the sake of keeping to the thread title: I do not think that God exists in space, nor do I think that he/she/it exists anywhere else.
 
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e36Adz said:
But but...

God cannot be bound by such a limited 'shell', no offense. :P It would be like trying to put an ocean into a cup. You have to eat, or you will die, you have to sleep. God is not limited in such ways.

This one small verse in the Quran defines God:

Surah 112 - Al Ikhlas : THE PURITY OF FAITH

Say: He is God, the One and Only;
God, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.

Nothing can fit this criteria except God. Jesus Christ PBUH cannot, Muhammed PBUH cannot, YOU cannot ;) etc.
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Prove it.

Checkmate.
 
e36Adz said:
The verses in the Quran which speak of God creating the heavens and the earth in x no of days, clearly cannot be referring to our 24 hr days since the Sun would not have been created.

This brings us onto the interesting subject of 'time/space', which I believe to be multi-dimensional. The Quran narrates a story of a group of youth who were being persecuted and fled and sought refuge in a cave, and although they slept for 'a day or part of a day', infact 300 years passed. Similarly, when Jesus Christ PBUH was raised up ~2000 years ago, and returns (as believe Muslims and Christians) he will not have aged more then possibly a day or so. One final mention is that the Quran also speaks of the time when after death mankind is raised up and our perception of time will be totally different to what it is now, so much so that our whole life here will have felt like part of a day. I do not expect you do believe anything I have just stated but I am just pointing our that the topic of 'time' is a very deep and difficult one which whole books have been written about! It is not simply a case of saying "earth created in 6 days = wrong."

As far as evolution goes, there are things that even Darwin was very uncomfortable with which went directly against his theory.
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I challenge someone to say that space is not multi dimensional, if you just said what I thought you said, "which I believe to be multi-dimensional". You have perhaps the worst understanding of physics that I have ever known, of course space is multi dimension.
There are 4 flipping Dimensions that we have known about for hundreds of years probably even more than that
1:X
2:Y
3:Z
4: Time

I cannot actually believe that you just said that, thanks for clearing it up to me I thought that you may have just believed in one dimension. /End sarcasm.
 
chaosdestro0 said:
I challenge someone to say that space is not multi dimensional, if you just said what I thought you said, "which I believe to be multi-dimensional". You have perhaps the worst understanding of physics that I have ever known, of course space is multi dimension.
There are 4 flipping Dimensions that we have known about for hundreds of years probably even more than that
1:X
2:Y
3:Z
4: Time

I cannot actually believe that you just said that, thanks for clearing it up to me I thought that you may have just believed in one dimension. /End sarcasm.
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Is time multi-dimensional? How many dimensions of time exist? In Islam and other religions, we believe in the existance of other beings such as Jinn or Angels but rather then being extra-terrestrial, rather I would describe them as extra-dimensional. They exist in another dimension of space/time to us therefore, we are not able to measure or perceive them even though they are present on Earth. You are obviously an expert on the subject, I am still learning.

Angilion said:
I know some very old faerie stories that refer to time running differently in the land of the Fae, so that a human who entered a cave that was an entrance to the land of the Fae could spend a day there and find that many years have passed on Earth when they came back. Those stories have been written down. Is that proof that they are true?

Darwin wrote down everything he couldn't explain with his theory, explicitly stating the problems. Most (all?) of which have been resolved since. The theory of evolution is not just Darwin's work.

That hasn't happened with the "science" some people manage to interpret into the Koran. Which isn't surprising, since they're just winging it and have no evidence.

People who pretend that religion is science irritate me. It's the parasitic nature of it that's unclean and revolting.
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Just because a story is written in the Quran or Bible, IF someone has gone to the extent of accepting it is from God and believing in God, then such stories are not hard to also accept. For someone who does not believe in God, I wouldn't expect them to believe it before first believing in God.

There are many scientific statements in the Quran which could not possibly have been known 1400 yrs ago. Have you looked in this or are you another google scholar?

tibbsey said:
Quick couple of questions and I should mention (although it should be obvious from my questions) I'm not clued up on religion (I find it to be illogical and nonsensical).

1) How old does Christianity/<insert Religion here> reckon the Earth is/how long have humans been around?
Surely we have found fossils and stuff from WAY before this? Doesn't this kind of discount the theory? (OMG GOD PLANTED THE FOSSILSLOL)

2) If original sin is the cause of all the suffering and general baddyness that humanity experiences then how does God justify punishing BILLIONS of people for what some silly bint did years ago?
Also if God created Man and his Lady then God KNEW that they're/we're prone to stupidity, greed and whatnot, so wtf was he expecting?
"I know... I'll give them free will and then PUNISH THE **** OUT OF THEM SHOULD THEY USE IT! MUAHAHAHAHAHAA"

If so, God's a ****, way worse than that lady who may or may not have screamed paedo at the security guard.
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As far as I am aware there is no mention in the Quran as to how old the Earth is, I have no idea where people keep pulling up this 'religion says Earth is 5000 yrs old'.

Nor does Islam say God will punish anyone for what someone else did. Each person will only be called to account for themself. God created man and it is in mans nature to sin, however, it is only through sin that a person can repent and ask for forgiveness which is sufficient as God has said He will forgive all sins no matter what, except one, and that is if you die while associating partners with God. (-from the Islamic point of view)
 
Margaret said:
Like everything else in the bible:

- None of this is clear
- None of this makes sense
- It's a load of rubbish
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It's not difficult to speak about religious scripture with some respect is it, even if you disagree with it? Grow up.
 
I am here to end all god arguments. For i am GOD, the one and only god. Your bibles and koran is the creation of man and not me. i did not influence the writers of these story books in anyway, for i did not speak directly to any of the writers of these story books.

most of the writings in these books are word of mouth and folklore only and nothing else.

there is no heaven and there is no hell. the devil and i are one, i am the creation of both good and evil. I created only the beginning and nothing else.

The beginning can be whatever you want it to be for yourself only.
 
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