"Libya: British Army ready for mission at 24 hours’ notice"

I believe it is all about the oil.

My opinion is this is an internal matter and should let them get on with it. I accept civillians have been killed, and protesters etc but at the end of the day we have no right to impose our views on them.

If a "no-fly" zone is put into place that is a dangerous path as it would lead to us bombing all air defence sites on both sides of the argument, and to be honest if we did that, I would not be surprised if they blew up the oil wells and stuck two fingers up at us for meddling.

Kimbie
 
Nikumba said:
I believe it is all about the oil.

My opinion is this is an internal matter and should let them get on with it. I accept civillians have been killed, and protesters etc but at the end of the day we have no right to impose our views on them.
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I disagree. What right does the Gaddafi government have to impose its views on its citizens? We are effectively supporting the majority of the population by standing against the establishment.

We have every responsibility to protect the rights and lives of other human beings who want protecting.
 
It's got to be for oil and to try to promote stability in the region generally. The last thing we want is the whole of north Africa up in arms against each other.

It's bad enough Egypt shut the Suez canal (is it still shut?), could you imagine if Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco all went into civil war?
 
PMKeates said:
I disagree. What right does the Gaddafi government have to impose its views on its citizens? We are effectively supporting the majority of the population by standing against the establishment.

We have every responsibility to protect the rights and lives of other human beings who want protecting.
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Fair enough, so where were we in Eygpt, Tunisa, and other countries?

We sat on the fence and said "We think you should stop doing that"

It is only because he has oil are we posturing military force
 
J-FRO said:
And what's wrong with that even if it is because of oil?
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The point I am saying is if we are doing this to protect a population, why did we not do it for all the other countries?

If we have this grand responsibility why do we only chose to help those who have the natural resources that benefit the west?

Kimbie
 
PMKeates said:
I disagree. What right does the Gaddafi government have to impose its views on its citizens? We are effectively supporting the majority of the population by standing against the establishment.

We have every responsibility to protect the rights and lives of other human beings who want protecting.
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our goverment impose its views on us and dont even try to say they dont because no one listens to the people and if you disagree with them you lose your job like that drugs advisor..

didnt the rest of the drug advisors step down aswell because they were beeing ignored? our goverment only listens to what it wants to hear they couldnt give a rats arse about us
 
The governement will do anything they can to stop oil prices pushing up to $200+ a barrel. The economic consequences will be dire.
 
The troops wont have permission to be in Libya, theyll be on the Tunisian border for humanitarian aid, dont think even BW Regiment wanna touch going into Libya with a barge pole.
 
Nikumba said:
Fair enough, so where were we in Eygpt, Tunisa, and other countries?

We sat on the fence and said "We think you should stop doing that"

It is only because he has oil are we posturing military force
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I am not defending our actions elsewhere.
arknor said:
our goverment impose its views on us and dont even try to say they dont because no one listens to the people and if you disagree with them you lose your job like that drugs advisor..

didnt the rest of the drug advisors step down aswell because they were beeing ignored? our goverment only listens to what it wants to hear they couldnt give a rats arse about us
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To a degree, you are right. There are aspects of our society where our views, and even the views of respected scientists, are ignored. However, these matters are relatively trivial and the 'punishment' for disobedience inconsequential when compared to what's going on in Libya. Cameron doesn't order Eurofighter Typhoons to drop laser-guided bombs on your house if you smoke a bit of weed.
 
PMKeates said:
I am not defending our actions elsewhere.To a degree, you are right. There are aspects of our society where our views, and even the views of respected scientists, are ignored. However, these matters are relatively trivial and the 'punishment' for disobedience inconsequential when compared to what's going on in Libya. Cameron doesn't order Eurofighter Typhoons to drop laser-guided bombs on your house if you smoke a bit of weed.
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neither does gadaffi he was bombing ammuntion dumps and people armed with AA guns on flat bed trucks , people acting like an army fighting against the countries actual army.

if we all took to the streets with ak47s and tried to do a military coup against the goverment what do you think would happen?
The governement will do anything they can to stop oil prices pushing up to $200+ a barrel. The economic consequences will be dire.
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yea sends a nice message " keep the oil flowing or we will over throw your goverment"
if we look back at history its almost exactly what the romans did to egypt if the grain supplies coming stopped

its no different than a bully in the school playground saying "give me your dinner money or i will beat you up" ofcourse he will only do it to the people who cant fight back just like america and britain
 
Ah. Thought so, remember someone telling me that now.

Going by past experience, have they "claimed" to have evidence of "WMDS" yet?
:rolleyes:
 
arknor said:
neither does gadaffi he was bombing ammuntion dumps and people armed with AA guns on flat bed trucks , people acting like an army fighting against the countries actual army.

if we all took to the streets with ak47s and tried to do a military coup against the goverment what do you think would happen?
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It wouldn't happen because we aren't that oppressed and thus they'd be little reason to take to the streets. That is a reasonable answer to your question because you are creating a completely fantasy situation to argue a point about the real world.

One of the points of democracy is the removal of the need for conflict to shift power. If the government do something we don't like, we kick them out.
 
arknor said:
if we look back at history its almost exactly what the romans did to egypt if the grain supplies coming stopped

its no different than a bully in the school playground saying "give me your dinner money or i will beat you up" ofcourse he will only do it to the people who cant fight back just like america and britain
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We're talking about full out civil war in Libya. If it escalates and pushes oil over the $200 a barrel, it will push other oppressed nations over the edge, particularly places like Saudi and Iran which escalates things even more. The ultimate end game being complete economic meltdown in the world economy and mass civil disobediency in multiple nations all over the world, including perhaps even the UK.

Once the price of petrol and food sky rockets, people get angry. Very angry.

Edit: And a precedence has already been set in Kosovo - and oil wasn't even involved there.
 
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