Crysis 2 is another console port, no DX11!!!!

what i really hate about Crysis 2 is the image is not clear or sharp at all its just one big blurry mess :(

i hope when the full version comes out and we can properly customize the graphics settings and there will be a way to turn it off or at least improve it
 
Streeteh said:
Yep, what's so new about it though? It's great, don't get me wrong, but other than the way the game is marketed and distributed, it's done nothing ground breaking.

Why do you feel the need to clarify the difference?
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How many other games do you know that are like Minecraft? If you don't think thats innovative, then no wonder you can't find of anything that is.

I was clarifying my view on the fact that 'hardcore' gamers should play on all platforms. I am not a hardcore gamer, I am a hardcore PC gamer, therefore only play on the PC.
 
Interesting to see on the mycrysis the following:

Crysis 2 PC MP Demo 409 threads 3300+ posts

Crysis 2 XBOX MP DEmo 48 threads 440+ posts


PC is pushing 10 times the thread & post count. Yet will supposidly sell more on XBOX. Im not saying it won't but it is interesting to see who is voicing their opinions (care?) etc a hell of a lot more.
 
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JonnyG1982 said:
Interesting to see on the mycrysis the following:

Crysis 2 PC MP Demo 409 threads 3300+ posts

Crysis 2 XBOX MP DEmo 48 threads 440+ posts


PC is pushing 10 times the thread & post count. Yet will supposidly sell more on XBOX. Im not saying it won't but it is interesting to see who is voicing their opinions (cares more for it?) etc a hell of a lot more.
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Well.. If the PC threads are anything like this one they'll just be full of people bitching and whining. :p
 
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The artistic direction of the two are entirely different but the textures currently in the second are smaller and less detailed and it uses city blocks to lower the view distance as far as I'm aware. Shame, but, I'll stick to my it's "COD: future warfare" comment.
 
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I DON'T KNOW WHY I AM SHOUTNG BUT I AM

Crysis 2 is a let down compared to what we all thought it was going to be. Some people like it, some don't.

/thread.
 
The demo server system is a joke. I've spent 10 minutes waiting in god knows how many different servers waiting for the game to start and it does ... nothing ...
 
jonneymendoza said:
great gameplay can be done achieved numerous ways and one is using technology. bigger maps? more ai's onscreen. more dynamic enviornments etc etc. all cant be achieved on consoles 4-5 years ago.

Dont tell me you would not like to experience full on war game with the same intensity as the first scenes of saving private ryan movie with the exact same dynamic enviornment and graphics. that would be awsome and wont be achieved on a console before pc's

Hench why PC games will always be the benchmark
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Gameplay has not advanced much in triple AAA games, in the last ten years. Especially in first person shooters. AI is still extremely weak, and easily explosed/exploited, (there isnt even any AI its all just a bunch of scripts). Its all just linear rubbish, how will technology solve that?

How great will it be to have instead of ten useless AIs, a hundred all clipping through one another, with marginal interaction(meaning they die if you shoot them, but thats about it) with the player and no awareness of there environment. Even physics is underutilised(overall).

I predict in the next ten years games will get slightly better, in the graphics department at least, but not much else.

Technology will not improve games at all. Its actually holding them back, no developers get any time to truly grasp any of it, before they have to move on.

The focus is completely on graphics. AI, dynamic content, animation, the developers dont have a clue how or what to do with these(except a rare few, whom are, strangely never copied, everyone copys COD, but not The Sims?).

Why isnt Soldier of Fortune esque limb removal in every shooter by now(why isnt it in a single one(not including monsters)? They have to wait for the third party companys or universites to come up with solutions to problems, like dynamic animation.

At least the indies may end up doing quite well though.
 
As far as i know. to do heavy AI calculations you need the horse power of a machine to crunch those numbers dynamcally in real time. thats where technology comes into play so i disagree that technology can enchance AI in that respect.

Look at the sims 3. the pc version is FARRR superior than the console version because the console machine cannot crunch those sorts of AI calculations happening in the back-end.

you can tweek and refractor all you like but your only polishing a turd. thats why many wished MS and sony woud bring out a new powerful machine as this is the only way games can improve in terms of technology that can be used to enchance the gameplay.

The reason why IMO you dont see many innovative unique games on pc is because 9/10 pc games are console ports.

What company will try and push the envelope and make a pc only game nowadays? no one. only way games can move forward in terms of raw AI power and eye candy is with a new console system being released.

Why are you guys surpised that cyrsis 2 is a console port?

People talk lots about gameplay and how eye candy doesnt seem to be important at all. i disagree. it is almost equaly important depending on the game because eye candy enchances teh immersion of a game.

Sim type games like racing games and other sports games people expect it to to "mimic" the real thing you watch on tv and one of those ways to will enchance that immersion is eye candy. So you CANNOT dismiss eye candy and focus JUST on gameplay. we need both depending on the genra.

Who here would LOVE to play a photo realistic game of football? or a photo realistic game of F1?

In a nutshell. technology does MORE then eye candy and IMO eye candy is as important as gameplay(depending on the genra and target audience)
 
I would just like to add I never complained the first crysis crippled my pc, also I never been able to play it above medium graphics settings. But thats what I loved, it pushed the capabilities of every pc to the limit and beyond. This attitude to development means better games for all!
 
mack d4ddy said:
I would just like to add I never complained the first crysis crippled my pc, also I never been able to play it above medium graphics settings. But thats what I loved, it pushed the capabilities of every pc to the limit and beyond. This attitude to development means better games for all!
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Not if developers make a game for all platforms i.e crysis 2
 
jonneymendoza said:
As far as i know. to do heavy AI calculations you need the horse power of a machine to crunch those numbers dynamcally in real time. thats where technology comes into play so i disagree that technology can enchance AI in that respect.

Look at the sims 3. the pc version is FARRR superior than the console version because the console machine cannot crunch those sorts of AI calculations happening in the back-end.
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Actually I did my degree thesis on games AI. ;)

It takes bugger all processing power compared to churning out massive calculations all the time for graphics. AI is typically poor/dumb in most games because by nature, it's a very hard thing to get right. Resources are not an issue with making AI better at the moment.

jonneymendoza said:
you can tweek and refractor all you like but your only polishing a turd. thats why many wished MS and sony woud bring out a new powerful machine as this is the only way games can improve in terms of technology that can be used to enchance the gameplay.

The reason why IMO you dont see many innovative unique games on pc is because 9/10 pc games are console ports.

What company will try and push the envelope and make a pc only game nowadays? no one. only way games can move forward in terms of raw AI power and eye candy is with a new console system being released.

Why are you guys surpised that cyrsis 2 is a console port?
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You do understand the definitive meaning of a port? What the process of porting is and is not?

Crysis 2, along with most multi-platform developed games on the PC, is not a port. Or are you just trying to use "console porting" a generic don't understand development scapegoat term?

I'm not sure if you've got any development knowledge for games or software in general. You seem to hint that you know about things like AI and the like, but a lot of it feels like guesswork. :confused: Do you have some basis for some of your thoughts on certain topics?

jonneymendoza said:
People talk lots about gameplay and how eye candy doesnt seem to be important at all. i disagree. it is almost equaly important depending on the game because eye candy enchances teh immersion of a game.

Sim type games like racing games and other sports games people expect it to to "mimic" the real thing you watch on tv and one of those ways to will enchance that immersion is eye candy. So you CANNOT dismiss eye candy and focus JUST on gameplay. we need both depending on the genra.

Who here would LOVE to play a photo realistic game of football? or a photo realistic game of F1?
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Again. If the gameplay were poor (especially in a racing sim), most people will only play it for the novelty of the graphics. I'm not going to sit and look at a screen trying to fake enjoying a bad game.

Who wants to play a sim with terrible handling just because it looks pretty?

Graphics can certainly add to a game, I've no dispute there, but without the fundamentals it doesn't make a game.
 
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as much as some of these points are really valid, some of them are also totally flawed. for example I don't think consoles are really the problem, too many people on here use them as a scapegoat when their frankly ridiculous expectations are let down by something as hilarious as no DX11 support. some consoles games don't look at all bad either, unless you have stupid expectations, look at Killzone II/III on the PS3 they look really good, even by most PC shooter standards, hell Modern Warfare II doesn't really look that bad, sure again its not the best looking game around but thats missing the point. I do agree graphics are very important, since you see the game more than anything else, but at the end of the day what do they get you? 9/10 people on here slammed the original Crysis for being 'boring' or whatever, un-original (in a world where nothing is original anymore) and said the only plus point it had was its graphics. so again its not upto standard, because people accused it of being bland yet beautiful, I used to be the exact same with games, PC gaming was everything and consoles were average, but me best mate has changed my view profoundly on things and to date the best game I have played through is Gears of War II for an absolute ton of reasons.

not trying to troll or anything, not by any means but I genuienly believe so many of you have lost focus on what gaming is about, like my friend who is obsessed with winning, he has lost touch with the purpose of gaming. frankly people are reason my posts and simply thinking 'hes a troll, hes basically saying this or that...' when all I have been trying to do is add another view on things, personally I have change my outlook on gaming and for the most part I now enjoy gaming (PC, PS3 and 360) more than I did as a 'hardcore' PC gamer. all I will say to finish is that if everyone can't see that a thread titled 'Crysis 2 is another console port, no DX11!!!!' is a really shallow premise for a discussion then people are really more lost in their own arrogance than I thought. :)
 
Gashman said:
not trying to troll or anything, not by any means but I genuienly believe so many of you have lost focus on what gaming is about, like my friend who is obsessed with winning, he has lost touch with the purpose of gaming. frankly people are reason my posts and simply thinking 'hes a troll, hes basically saying this or that...' when all I have been trying to do is add another view on things, personally I have change my outlook on gaming and for the most part I now enjoy gaming (PC, PS3 and 360) more than I did as a 'hardcore' PC gamer. all I will say to finish is that if everyone can't see that a thread titled 'Crysis 2 is another console port, no DX11!!!!' is a really shallow premise for a discussion then people are really more lost in their own arrogance than I thought. :)
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Bang on to be honest. I don't think you're trolling at all.
 
I think the single player will be good fun, as long as they bring back Strength and Speed as selectable powers I'm set. Multiplayer couldn't matter any less in a game like Crysis, console port or not.
 
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