I wasn't comparing it to mine. There's plenty of people on BMWland and 5series.net that are on higher mileage diesels without turbos or injectors needing replacing. The are a lot of cases where they have been done as well but it isn't a guaranteed failure as the car rolls over 100k.
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to be fair to fox i don't think he fully gets what he's getting himself into.
When fox pointed out the Diesel BMWs have chronic issues his response was :
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=18636441&postcount=7
As you say, not everybody has issues, so lets hope he gets lucky.
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To be fair, whilst I'd probably heed the general Diesel advice of not bothering for low mileage because the risk is there, these CR diesel issues are probably being taken in the wrong context;
Ie. Fox or whoever reads all of these issues on the internet, notices a high volume of them and concludes that there is a trend. What this does not take in to account is, no one comes on the internet and makes specific posts saying "Hi, my turbo didn't break".
This issue with context is present on just about every owners club - Corsa VXR Remaps, Clio cambelts, ST clutches and cylinder liners etc. etc.
When in reality, it is only a very small portion of the user base that has these issues, but when you see a post every few days relating to the issue, it seems more than common until you consider the amount of these cars on the road.
Ie. Fox or whoever reads all of these issues on the internet, notices a high volume of them and concludes that there is a trend. What this does not take in to account is, no one comes on the internet and makes specific posts saying "Hi, my turbo didn't break".
This issue with context is present on just about every owners club - Corsa VXR Remaps, Clio cambelts, ST clutches and cylinder liners etc. etc.
When in reality, it is only a very small portion of the user base that has these issues, but when you see a post every few days relating to the issue, it seems more than common until you consider the amount of these cars on the road.
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And what about all those people who don't go "quick to the internetz" and just take it to a garage/dealer to get it sorted out and pay the price/use warranty?
Don't know enough about the car so give any useful info, but having spoken to staff at both branches of Longands, I know I'd never buy a car from there.
Hopefully you don't have any issues where goodwill would be applicable...
Hopefully you don't have any issues where goodwill would be applicable...
[TW]Fox;18643372 said:So you took less than 24 hours to find a car and when you did find a car its an £11,000 6 year old commonrail BMW turbodiesel with mileage high enough to make any warranty worthless and with the lower power engine?
The early E60's are, IMHO, rubbish. I'd rather have a Merc or something
Oh, it isn't a 525d M Sport either, its too old, it's a 525d Sport.
lol owned
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To be fair there is nothing like the level of catastrophic 'arggh' posts relating to the petrol models. Whilst I appreciate that on an E60 there will be an order of magntitude more diesels than petrols, if we go back to the E46 there is a roughly 50/50 split and the diesels vastly outnumber petrols in terms of big issues, and dont forget people with older cars are both more likely to be encounternig issues due to age and more likely to be found on internet forums seeking advice rather than just throwing the car at the dealer.
More and more EU emissions legislation and the drive to get as much performance and economy out of engines as possible is making them exponetially more complicated. And the more complicated ancilliary components you add, the more prone it becomes to failure and the more expensive it gets to fix. This is now beginning to happen to petrol cars as well as the drive for efficiency brings things such as direct injection to petrol engines.
It's not a diesel thing, it's a turbo, DPF, direct injection, high pressure fuel system thing and sadly, these are all things almost every modern diesel has.
Go back 15 years before diesels had these and failure with a diesel engine was very, very rare.
Well thanks for your input guys, I expected some of the comments received, and to be fair, if I didn't want them I wouldn't have posted this thread. I know there are issues that I may cross with it being a high pressure diesel system, but that goes for most diesel cars these days. I have been watching cars and prices many months, even if I haven't Bern actively buying, and believe me, I've seen some sheds, even at teesside BMW. This car is pristine compared to a lot of newer models. I checked the service menu on the I drive and everything was ticked or green.
I think the price, in relation to a national search on autotrader seems fair, not a bargain, but well within the extremes of BMW 525 se's and m-sports. The dealer specifically stated the injectors and the like would be covered under warranty - I may get it in writing. However, I know the DPF is a consumable and will need replacing eventually.
Ultimately, I'm happy with my purchase and so am prepared for the crit received. I bought my Audi in exactly the same fashion, and the worst thing I ever did was get rid of it!. Insurance is £10 a month more. And I understand that I'll be paying more for tyres, brakes etc. I knew that before I signed for it. It's me who's driving it and it's perfect for me, nobody can foresee problems that have not developed yet so you could say the same about any car really, this looks like it's been looked after well by its previous owner. So at the end of the day, I'm happy
I think the price, in relation to a national search on autotrader seems fair, not a bargain, but well within the extremes of BMW 525 se's and m-sports. The dealer specifically stated the injectors and the like would be covered under warranty - I may get it in writing. However, I know the DPF is a consumable and will need replacing eventually.
Ultimately, I'm happy with my purchase and so am prepared for the crit received. I bought my Audi in exactly the same fashion, and the worst thing I ever did was get rid of it!. Insurance is £10 a month more. And I understand that I'll be paying more for tyres, brakes etc. I knew that before I signed for it. It's me who's driving it and it's perfect for me, nobody can foresee problems that have not developed yet so you could say the same about any car really, this looks like it's been looked after well by its previous owner. So at the end of the day, I'm happy
Well I wouldnt expect it to be priced like an M Sport, as it's not an M Sport - M Sport was introduced on a 55 plate.
Oh, I do not doubt these issues exist, and I completely agree with your anti-Diesel stance most of the time, I just think perhaps these issues are blown out of proportion on here sometimes.
As for direct injection petrols, VW's (T)FSI units seem fine from what I've seen? I believe the PSA unit found in Minis, 207GTIs and DS3s is also direct injection? and countless others you don't really hear any bad things about.
As for direct injection petrols, VW's (T)FSI units seem fine from what I've seen? I believe the PSA unit found in Minis, 207GTIs and DS3s is also direct injection? and countless others you don't really hear any bad things about.
you're buying a 10k high mileage exec car yet pay for insurance monthly
So? I spent more on my last two cars and also pay for my insurance monthly. The cost of credit is insignificant compared to having to drop over £1k (until now) on insuring two cars. I'm pretty sure I could make more than the cost of credit with that £1k by buying some Silver anyway (which is where all my spare money is going at the moment
), or dropping it on shares if that is your thing.<pedant mode> Arden Blue is a Vauxhall colour, that is BMW 416 Carbon Black </pendant mode>
Check behind the off-side headlight and there should be a plate with all of the car information stamped on it, including the colour.
As you say, you were expecting the flack you've received so far so I'm not going to go over the ground already covered.
Having run a 55 plate 530d M-sport which looks almost identical to that one for the last year, I can honestly say that if it was my £10k I wouldn't buy one.
Check behind the off-side headlight and there should be a plate with all of the car information stamped on it, including the colour.
As you say, you were expecting the flack you've received so far so I'm not going to go over the ground already covered.
Having run a 55 plate 530d M-sport which looks almost identical to that one for the last year, I can honestly say that if it was my £10k I wouldn't buy one.
can't see this being a remotely sensible purchase, mine has 30k on it now and I've already spent £1800 on replacement bushes, link arms and some other overpriced suspension bits and pieces, none of which were covered under BMW warranty.
even buying new tyres was a ball ache, requiring KDS II alignment which adds £100+ to an already painful overpriced runflat experience (£1100)
for the money you paid I would have bought anything but a 5 series, I'm prepared to bet a decent dinner that in under a year you will have shelled out at least a grand on unexpected reassuringly expensive failed german kit.
not a good investment imo
even buying new tyres was a ball ache, requiring KDS II alignment which adds £100+ to an already painful overpriced runflat experience (£1100)
for the money you paid I would have bought anything but a 5 series, I'm prepared to bet a decent dinner that in under a year you will have shelled out at least a grand on unexpected reassuringly expensive failed german kit.
not a good investment imo
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....because...
They cost a lot of money to run, on paper people can justify and feign affordability in the real world it's a whole different ball game.
Don't get me wrong I'm still loving mine it's a truely fantastic car but I'm not kidding myself thats its anything other than costly to run
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To be fair the cost of credit is often 20-30% APR, its ridiculous, you are far better sticking it on a 0% credit card than taking an insurers monthly option, most of the time.
I'm pretty sure I could make more than the cost of credit with that £1k by buying some Silver anyway (which is where all my spare money is going at the moment
Oh classic, now you want us to think you are some sort of precious metals investor. When will it ever stop, mind you not many investors would advocate borrowing at 20% because 'hey i can make it back on silver'
Besides, why are you even telling us this? What relevence has investing in silver got to do with paying for insurance monthly, 0.0001% of people who pay car insurance monthly also invest in silver. Oh wait I know, you are yet again trying to build some silly fake 'e-persona' of you being amazing.
'wow check out MikeHiow, he can pay insurance monthly because he invests in silver'
You realise its a waste of time because nobody beleives anything you say anymore?
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