The Illuminati

[Castiel]

I believe in the Illuminati but I don't believe they caused the earthquake(s). These earthquakes are the earth, which is a living entity, dying because we are killing it and poisoning it.

Has the Planet been dying since it first coalesced from the flotsom and jetsum left over from the creation of our Star?

The Earth is, compared to geological activity in the past extremely quiet and has been for thousands of years. The current situation does not indicate anything different or unusual is happening within the Earth's Crust, so it is a highly improbable that we are witnessing the death throes of a Gaian Entity.

Also I *DO* believe we are in the end times and this planet days are numbered. What we're seeing in Japan, ect are warnings and signs of what will soon happen on a planetary scale. People will laugh and refuse to believe it just like people in the last days of Noah laughed and refused to believe.

Given that Noah is almost certainly an allegorical tale of diaspora, I doubt that we are witnessing that kind of event, and neither do I feel that we are witnessing some kind of Apocalyptic Biblical event either.

Here's a good lecture I recomend to everyone it deals with the end times and how to survive it. If you goto the link click the mp3 download.

http://gnosticradio.org/lectures/le...ecies/244-a-new-heaven-and-earth/view-details

Following the works of Samael Aun Weor who foretold his own resurrection in 1978 (which unsurprisingly didn't happen) and the pseudo-religion he created doesn't really inspire confidence in your assertions.

 

[RDM]

These earthquakes are the earth, which is a living entity, dying because we are killing it and poisoning it.

Alternatively it is just the result of plate tectonics which all the activity of man has absolutely zero impact on. We are not poisoning the earth, we can't because everything we have comes from it in the first place.

 

[Castiel]

Oh yes we all must be paranoid. I suppose the ultra rich & powerful don't conspire amongst themselves to gain and secure there position on the planet. Go watch BBC news and listen to the politicans and journalists, they know whats best for you.

People within a specific demographic conspiring and juggling for position and power is not the same thing as the accusation of some millennia old secret organisation intent on subjugating the entire world for it's own amusement.

 

[Tefal]

People within a specific demographic conspiring and juggling for position and power is not the same thing as the accusation of some millennia old secret organisation intent on subjugating the entire world for it's own amusement.

giant penis aliens visit him in his bedroom and ufo's talk to him, but this is what you find strange?

 

[ojrules]

Oh yes we all must be paranoid. I suppose the ultra rich & powerful don't conspire amongst themselves to gain and secure there position on the planet. Go watch BBC news and listen to the politicans and journalists, they know whats best for you.

lolmagick

 

[Castiel]

We are not poisoning the earth, we can't because everything we have comes from it in the first place.

We can poison the Earth by our actions, and on a smaller localised scale it happens quite often.

Destruction of ecosystems, contamination of water supplies, intensive farming, deforestation, mining, and so on all contribute to man-made impact of the biosphere as a whole.

However, outside of some kind of Global incident all these cases of poisoning or destruction are, given enough time, reversible, by either our intervention or simply allowing Nature the time to adjust and repair itself.

The claim that the Earth is dying however is simply hyperbole. No matter what we do, given current technology, it is highly improbable that we could influence the Biosphere to such an extent that it could not recover given enough time.

 

[Castiel]

giant penis aliens visit him in his bedroom and ufo's talk to him, but this is what you find strange?

I, fortunately it seems, do not have the personal knowledge of Magicks sex life that you do.

 

[Tefal]

We can poison the Earth by our actions, and on a smaller localised scale it happens quite often.

Destruction of ecosystems, contamination of water supplies, intensive farming, deforestation, mining, and so on all contribute to man-made impact of the biosphere as a whole.

that's not the earth that's the other things that live on it.

 

[Cosimo]

giant penis aliens visit him in his bedroom and ufo's talk to him, but this is what you find strange?

You seem to know a lot about his bedroom. Is there something you're not telling us?

 

[Castiel]

that's not the earth that's the other things that live on it.

Is the biosphere not part of the Earth? Is the Earth simply it's molten core and crust, or is it the entire Planet, ecosystems and all?

We can and frequently do poison the very Earth and Oceans itself, so even if you remove the biosphere from the equation, we do still poison the Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth

 

[Tefal]

We can and frequently do poison the very Earth and Oceans itself.

No we change it's composition/move things about.

we only make them toxic for certain organisms (normally us) the ground it's self is not "poisoned".

 

[Castiel]

No we change it's composition/move things about.

we only make them toxic for certain organisms (normally us) the ground it's self is not "poisoned".

I disagree, if the Earth is changed from it's natural state artificially then it can be said to be poisoned. The word can be applied to a destructive state as well as a purely biological one.

The Earth is more than than it's mineral composition, especially in the context of the thread and Magicks post which refers to the Earth as a "living Planet" which it obviously is. (Just not a seemingly sentient one as Magick seems to imply)

Like I said, I do not think that we, as a species, have the ability to fatally poison the Earth (it's entirety, including the biosphere and ecology) at this time. That may change in the future however. Could a nuclear incident of significant enough magnitude affect the Planet so that it cannot recover? I don't know, but I can see the possibility.


In the strictest sense though, nothing can be "poisoned" as everything is a product of the Universe and by your own example it is only the composition that has changed so it is a little disingenuous to say that the Earth is not "poisoned" using that kind of logic.

 

[Metalface Mark]

We can poison the Earth by our actions, and on a smaller localised scale it happens quite often.

I dont think we can, we cant poison the earth with the earth, everything we create, everything we do all the material that we use that so called poisons the earth comes from the earth.

The earth would in effect be poisoning itself.

 

[Tefal]

I disagree, if the Earth is changed from it's natural state artificially then it can be said to be poisoned.

then that has not happened if as you say we're part of the earth and part of nature.

 

[Pete.Dakota]

One earthquake and resulting tsunami is not the harbinger of humanity's demise.

If you think the Earth is "angry" or "letting us know it's not happy" with us, consider that tectonically speaking, our planet is the CALMEST it's every been. And it's only going to get calmer.

Look at the life cycle of a typical planet, it's born from violence and collisions, and if it's not consumed by its star, it will effectively die. Its core will cool and solidify, its plates will cease and the last embers of energy will whittle away into the solar wind. All that's left is a big round rock - devoid of entropy.

Just because there's been a couple of earthquakes in your lifetime doesn't mean a thing when compared to the age of the planet. Even if you want to go back through the records and look for a pattern in frequency, human records only date back a few hundred years; that's less than a second proportionately comparing a human lifespan to that of a planet.

I suggest you get a bit more technical and actually try to understand the physical mechanisms at work. Not just under your feet, but throughout the entire universe. The arrow of time alone can destroy stars and rip apart galaxies. The idea that some hidden group of people can flick a man-made switch and cause a man-made earthquake stinks of mankind's hubris.

 

[Surfer]

No we change it's composition/move things about.

we only make them toxic for certain organisms (normally us) the ground it's self is not "poisoned".

Splitting hairs. Obfuscation designed to avoid conceding a very very very minor point....... what are you playing at lol

 

[Castiel]

then that has not happened if as you say we're part of the earth and part of nature.

Why?

If we interfere with the natural Order of the Planet?

You seem to be suggesting that Magick is correct in his hypothesis of a single Gaian entity.

 

[Tefal]

Why?

If we interfere with the natural Order of the Planet?

You seem to be suggesting that Magick is correct in his hypothesis of a single Gaian entity.

no if we're part of nature and part of the earth like you said then we are part of the natural process.

everything we do is the natural process.

 

[sigma]

So if I poison somebody tomorrow it would be classed as a natural process?

 

[Metalface Mark]

no if we're part of nature and part of the earth like you said then we are part of the natural process.

everything we do is the natural process.

This, we are the natural order of the planet no matter what, unless we came here on a meteroite and infected it.