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Were we right to get involved in Libya?

  • Yes

    Votes: 306 50.9%

  • No

    Votes: 295 49.1%
  • Total voters
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So what you saying for your argument to be true, we should be helping Gaddafi not "fighting" against.
Not taht we are fighting anything, UN has given allies the power to stop indiscriminate killing of civilians (but excluded all ground troops, basically air and shelling only), not milliatry operations or fights against rebels.
 
scorza said:
The TAPI pipeline hasn't been built yet has it? Tell me why the US and Britain should care enough about a gas pipeline from Russia to India and Pakistan to invade a country?
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The pipeline bypasses Russia, that is the point. The Dauletabad gas field which the pipeline serves passes through Afghanistan, are you so naive to think there is no link between the west having troops on the ground and a major natural resource?
 
OldCoals said:
The pipeline bypasses Russia, that is the point. The Dauletabad gas field which the pipeline serves passes through Afghanistan, are you so naive to think there is no link between the west having troops on the ground and a major natural resource?
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Maybe I am just being naive but I do think it's more likely to have something to do with September 11th and all that. Again, why do we care where India and Pakistan get their gas from?
 
scorza said:
Maybe I am just being naive but I do think it's more likely to have something to do with September 11th and all that. Again, why do we care where India and Pakistan get their gas from?
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Controlling other peoples access to natural resources is a very powerful bargaining tool.
 
AcidHell2 said:
So we can now time travel, something discovered recently affected a war years ago.
Something Afghanistan could have easily avoided. All we asked for, was for them to hand over Binladen and that would have been the end of it. They refused to do that and said they would try him in an Afghanistan court.
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If you are going after Bin Laden why is there a need to conduct a geological survey later on?
 
Anyway, invading a country to find 1 man just doesn't make any sense. Are all those thousands of lifes worth it just to find 1 man, which they didn't? So what do you think the real reason they went into Afghan was?
 
OldCoals said:
If you are going after Bin Laden why is there a need to conduct a geological survey later on?
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because every nation in the world conducts such surveys.

At time of war we didn't know about such desposits.
How much has the war cost and how much does it continue to cost?
Afghanistan has it's government, even if it favours contracts with us we would make a tiny fraction of the one trillion.
Your arguments are ridiculous, at least get something with correct time frames in it and sound reasoning.

Do you know what historically happens when a dictator gets kicked out, or rebels get in? It turns to turmoil with in fighting and very low government control. not the breeding ground for securing resources.

deko said:
Anyway, invading a country to find 1 man just doesn't make any sense. Are all those thousands of lifes worth it just to find 1 man, which they didn't? So what do you think the real reason they went into Afghan was?
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Not just for one man, they did not do anything to counter training grounds. It was a show of force, to say that if you harbour terrorists and not do all in your power, then we will still go to war. Otherwise like what was happening in Afghanistan pre 2001, you can harbour, train and support terrorist as long as there is no government involvement.
 
Of course no geologists could have predicted prior to the war in Afghanistan that it held vast untapped natural resources.

The curious thing is this is not the first time Afghanistan’s mineral riches have been discovered. Back in January 1984, the chief engineer of the Afghan Geological Survey Department published a report saying the country had reserves of a wide variety of mineral resources, including iron, chrome, copper, silver, gold, barite sulfur, talc, magnesium, mica marble and lapis lazuli.
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http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2010/06/15/afghanistans-treasure-trove-a-reality-check/
 
Brian8bit said:
Did.
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where's this detailed report?
It's a general report.

And again cost of war and continuing cost of war?
Existing contracts before the war?
What happens when you over throw a government. Historically the country goes into turmoil for decades. This is not the place you find secure contracts or get stuff cheaply.

If we wanted to secure Libyas resources we would be helping Gadaffi.
 
AcidHell2 said:
because every nation in the world conducts such surveys.

At time of war we didn't know about such desposits.
How much has the war cost and how much does it continue to cost?
Afghanistan has it's government, even if it favours contracts with us we would make a tiny fraction of the one trillion.
Your arguments are ridiculous, at least get something with correct time frames in it and sound reasoning.

Do you know what historically happens when a dictator gets kicked out, or rebels get in? It turns to turmoil with in fighting and very low government control. not the breeding ground for securing resources.



Not just for one man, they did not do anything to counter training grounds. It was a show of force, to say that if you harbour terrorists and not do all in your power, then we will still go to war. Otherwise like what was happening in Afghanistan pre 2001, you can harbour, train and support terrorist as long as there is no government involvement.
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Pakistan harbours terrorists, why do we not have troops on the ground there?

Iraq is secure enough not that UK and US oil companies can drill.
 
Americans are so full of it, president is about to speak, fox news wants to know if America is going to take the lead in all this..... but the don't want to be dragged into a war....
 
AcidHell2 said:
where's this detailed report?
It's a general report.

And again cost of war and continuing cost of war?
Existing contracts before the war?
What happens when you over throw a government. Historically the country goes into turmoil for decades. This is not the place you find secure contracts or get stuff cheaply.

If we wanted to secure Libyas resources we would be helping Gadaffi.
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We did support Gaddafi. We kept him propped up despite all his ******** and support of the IRA. The only reason we're not backing him now is because the Libyans have risen up against him and the UK government isn't so stupid as to back a losing horse. They will support the rebels, instill another puppet government and it'll be back to blighty in time for elevenses.

As for everything else you're saying, I really don't give a monkeys. Aside from your opinion that our respective governments did not know that there was vast untapped mineral reserves. Which is quite clear that they, the UN and everybody else knew that they did exist.
 
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