If we left him alone the country would continue on it's path of civil war. And that's not good for business.
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If we left him alone the country would continue on it's path of civil war. And that's not good for business.
Again klets look at what happens after an overthrow.
lets see what happens when dictators have an uprising and aren;t scared to use force. The rebels would be quashed and Gadaffi would carry on as normal. the arguments just don't look at facts and history.
But it's always the same in such threads, massive blinkered view, rather than looking at larger pictures of what's actually happening. everything we've done in the last 10 years is all to do with Oil, all our last missions and peace keeping have suddenly been forgoten.
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Sure. The rebels in Ireland where squashed by the British in a couple of weeks and the war in Ireland (which spilled onto the British mainland) didn't cost billions of dollars.
I think you're underestimating how oppressed by and fed up of Gaddafi the Libyan people are.
Some are he still has a lot of support and as bad as Ireland was it is nothing compared to a total civil war, again lets look at certain African countries as example and is nothing like what is happening then. You can still run a country even with the state Ireland was. It is a totally different scale, with totally different rules, after all we tried to preserve life (controversial statement, but you have to agree it's not the same) and not throw milliatry in like gadaffi would do.
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Yes, because we had Sea Harriers that we could launch from our Carrier. Oh wait, Labour scapped them a few years back and we didn't have planes to launch from our Carrier... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...Navy-chiefs-as-Sea-Harriers-are-scrapped.html http://www.stripes.com/news/sea-harriers-fly-with-f-15s-one-last-time-1.44768 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shropshire/4856774.stm
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The main one went to bp-china. Not very good for America securing there oil is it. Espcially with the treatment BP received. Now if oil was the big contributor, wouldn't they of gone easy on BP.
He only has support because he's paying for it and the people who were least oppressed by him have decided to fight on his side.
You must have missed the bit in history with Ireland having two wars, one after the other. One against the British for independence and then the second civil one regarding differing republican ideologies. As for being able to run Ireland... Northern Ireland was one of the most heavily militarised places on the planet next to the Korean border and the Middle East for 30 years. The border to the south was akin to the Korean border with watch towers all the way along it. You must have heard of the likes of Crossmaglen? We still use police vehicles for daily patrols that American SWAT would only pull out in a terrorist situation. That's how you can still run a country like Northern Ireland at the height of tension. And running a country like that isn't beneficial. It's a money sink. An absolute black hole of tax payers money. There were no jobs. No prospects. No output whatsoever. The only way you could earn a living was to join the police, army or prison service.
And if Libya descends into that, it'll go the same way. Libya needs a quick hand over of power like all the other heavily developed middle eastern nations have had in this batch of uprisings because it's not cost effective to Britain or the rest of Europe who rely on it or the others that have had a turn over of power, for trade.
As for the African nations? The Chinese are currently in there exploiting that for their own benefit. And nobody will say a word about it because the Chinese have the worlds financial markets by the balls and all it has to do is call in it's debts to bring the west to it's knees. The Russians aren't stupid. That's why they didn't get involved like China with this UN resolution.
If it looked like Gaddafi would win convincingly from the outset then that would have been a reasonable option. Note that backing Gaddafi wouldn't necessarily look the same as backing the rebels does, we'd do things like call for "restraint on all sides", for "all sides to go to the negotiating table" etc etc. It sucks but that's the way diplomacy works, the only thing worse than backing a nasty horse is backing a losing one.
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Going to be an eyewatering collection of aircraft available, amazing level of co-operation between all nations involved.
Think I spotted 9 GR4's lined up ready to go, 8 Typhoons, and so the news says we have both helicopter support ships just off the coast of Libya.
Think I spotted 9 GR4's lined up ready to go, 8 Typhoons, and so the news says we have both helicopter support ships just off the coast of Libya.
wow, another person peddling worthless **** about something they know nothing about
what usefulness would Uk carrier launched aircraft offer over land based aircraft in this situation?
silly question and don't shoot me down, excuse the god awful pun, but is the plan not to simply enforce a no-fly zone over libya in order to stop the indiscriminate bombings. the UN resolution has made it clear that we can't have another afghanistan or iraq......no foreign occupying ground forces are allowed to be deployed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8281990.stm
Russia only give a crap when it's on their own doorstep, and where was the UN then to stop the Russians running rampant in Georgia?
It's all about power, Libya are weak and can be easily crushed, just the same as Georgia was for Russia.
But you didn't hear the USA/UK etc threatening Russia with no fly zones.
We go into Libya now when it's their own Civil War, yet when they blew up a Plane in 1988 over UK killing over 230 Yanks/Brits, the Goverment did nothing of meaningful of value, especially when their are all these cuts and job losses going on, then they decide to blow money on more operations in the middle east.
Russia only give a crap when it's on their own doorstep, and where was the UN then to stop the Russians running rampant in Georgia?
It's all about power, Libya are weak and can be easily crushed, just the same as Georgia was for Russia.
But you didn't hear the USA/UK etc threatening Russia with no fly zones.
We go into Libya now when it's their own Civil War, yet when they blew up a Plane in 1988 over UK killing over 230 Yanks/Brits, the Goverment did nothing of meaningful of value, especially when their are all these cuts and job losses going on, then they decide to blow money on more operations in the middle east.
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Hypocrisy of the highest order from the West. They just want him to carry on business as usual. All this is just posturing.
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