Inset Days

[Castiel]

Can any of those of you in education explain why Inset days or Teacher Training days must be held during term-time.

Would it not be less disruptive to a child's education and their parents childcare provision if such days were held during the copious holidays where the school is closed anyway.

 

[Participant]

My wife's a teacher at a primary school and she says:

'Because it's our holiday too, they'd just extend the holiday by a day anyway'.

 

[LOAM]

I think its because that would be logical and make sense.

 

[Pez]

My wife's a teacher at a primary school and she says:

'Because it's our holiday too, they'd just extend the holiday by a day anyway'.

I thought that the teachers had a holiday on the basis that there were no children there to actually teach - which makes sense?

 

[Gypo]

We have started having our inset days during half-term, even worse that they are now making us wear professional clothes rather than wear what you want!

 

[Dolph]

Because teaching suffers from monopolistic public sector spanish practices?

 

['Wes]

Where i work, we have it on the Monday [Tuesday if it's a bank holiday] after the holiday but not all the time, we also have CPD sessions where the school finishes at 2:15pm instead of 3:15pm for teacher training and other things like tutoring and exam preparations. It's also a Catholic School that's part of the Catholic Partnership as well.

 

[Participant]

I thought that the teachers had a holiday on the basis that there were no children there to actually teach - which makes sense?

A holiday means no enforced work. You wouldn't turn up to a driving tuition school in your hols just cause there were no 17 year olds to teach.

If the training days were in the hols the kids would have an extra day's education, but hol is hol and if my employer asked me to have an unpaid training day in my hol...

The fact is that teachers get a sweet deal and have some strong unions. They wouldnt stand for their members doing unpaid training on the last day of their holiday.

It's not just the teachers either. It's caretakers and other support staff you'd have to pay and persuade to come in on the last Friday of the hol.

 

[meghatronic]

Would it not be less disruptive to a child's education and their parents childcare provision if such days were held during the copious holidays where the school is closed anyway.

Teachers' holidays are like crack to them. Take them away and you'd have war. Or strikes. Or lots of unhappy teachers. But you'd have a problem. Maybe.

I have ZERO idea why kids get 6-7 weeks off in summer. Back in my day.... D)

 

[RomanNose]

Teachers' holidays are like crack to them. Take them away and you'd have war. Or strikes. Or lots of unhappy teachers. But you'd have a problem. Maybe.

I have ZERO idea why kids get 6-7 weeks off in summer. Back in my day.... D)

Something to do with the fact that there is a ****load of exam papers to mark? As population growth has continued the exam boards are getting more and more exam papers each year so they must have a long summer holiday to make sure that they get the results before the next term. For example most colleges would not let you do an a2 course if you did bad in the As course.

 

[meghatronic]

Something to do with the fact that there is a ****load of exam papers to mark? As population growth has continued the exam boards are getting more and more exam papers each year so they must have a long summer holiday to make sure that they get the results before the next term. For example most colleges would not let you do an a2 course if you did bad in the As course.

98% of teacher's (figure pulled out my ****) don't mark exam scripts. They could be put to use. In fact, there are lots of things that could be done in 2 of those 6 weeks. College/Uni preparation, etc.

 

[RomanNose]

98% of teacher's (figure pulled out my ****) don't mark exam scripts. They could be put to use. In fact, there are lots of things that could be done in 2 of those 6 weeks. College/Uni preparation, etc.

Well after the exams at my college we do actually do preparation for the next year so that is 2 weeks out of a possible 8 saved.
Probably more teachers do exam marking than you expect but remind yourself that Teachers usually have a low salary and spend there evenings marking work, it's not exactly a good deal in my eyes.

 

[OCdude]

They should put inset days between print screen days and delete days.

HO HO HO.

I'm done.

 

[RDM]

Can any of those of you in education explain why Inset days or Teacher Training days must be held during term-time.

Would it not be less disruptive to a child's education and their parents childcare provision if such days were held during the copious holidays where the school is closed anyway.

Because the teachers are on holiday too during the copious holiday time when schools are closed?

 

[Castiel]

Because the teachers are on holiday too during the copious holiday time when schools are closed?

If teachers has the same 5.6 week entitlement as the vast majority of other employees then there would be ample time for the 5 inset days to be taken during the school holidays.

The argument of prep and marking falls short simply on the fact that the actual school day for actual teaching is quite short compared to most professions and even with the inset days there is still ample time within the proscribed holiday periods/non teaching time to allow for normal holiday entitlement and the preparation.

 

[Participant]

If teachers has the same 5.6 week entitlement as the vast majority of other employees then there would be ample time for the 5 inset days to be taken during the school holidays.

You'd be happy to pay for the extra resource requirements from only allowing teachers 5 weeks holiday yes?

It's silly to compare to 'other employees' in industries where people working harder produces more profit. Not so with teachers...it just costs the government more money.

 

[Castiel]

Well after the exams at my college we do actually do preparation for the next year so that is 2 weeks out of a possible 8 saved.
Probably more teachers do exam marking than you expect but remind yourself that Teachers usually have a low salary and spend there evenings marking work, it's not exactly a good deal in my eyes.

Low Salary?

Pull the other one. Teachers earn above average salaries and in many cases far far more.


With actual teaching days being on average 193 days, take away 104 weekend days and 28 days holiday entitlement. That still leaves 40 days or 8 working weeks to mark, prepare, have the 5 inset days and any other stuff teachers can invent to justify their extraordinary holiday entitlements.

 

[Castiel]

You'd be happy to pay for the extra resource requirements from only allowing teachers 5 weeks holiday yes?

It's silly to compare to 'other employees' in industries where people working harder produces more profit. Not so with teachers...it just costs the government more money.

What rubbish, the cost would be negligible if anything at all.

What 'extra' costs are there in having inset days during the holiday periods?

 

[Pez]

Low Salary?

Pull the other one. Teachers earn above average salaries and in many cases far far more.


With actual teaching days being on average 193 days, take away 104 weekend days and 28 days holiday entitlement. That still leaves 40 days or 8 working weeks to mark, prepare, have the 5 inset days and any other stuff teachers can invent to justify their extraordinary holiday entitlements.

Completely agree.

 

[meghatronic]

You'd be happy to pay for the extra resource requirements from only allowing teachers 5 weeks holiday yes?

It's silly to compare to 'other employees' in industries where people working harder produces more profit. Not so with teachers...it just costs the government more money.

What?

Their salary shouldn't increase, they earn a lot more than people think.