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Were we right to get involved in Libya?

  • Yes

    Votes: 306 50.9%

  • No

    Votes: 295 49.1%
  • Total voters
    601
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Rebels should stop putting jets in the air, they risk not only being shot down by the enemy but also us, i'm not exactly what they aim to acheive anyways, they must be poorly trained and badly maintained.
 
So the Rebels weren't observing any ceasefire, what do they expect? Are the government forces of Libya supposed to stand there passively and allow themselves to be attacked? Self defence is a legal right in international law.
 
dirtydog said:
So the Rebels weren't observing any ceasefire, what do they expect? Are the government forces of Libya supposed to stand there passively and allow themselves to be attacked? Self defence is a legal right in international law.
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Ceasefire? At no point did Gaddafi's forces actually stop firing accoring to all of the new reports. So why would the rebels stop?
 
Telescopi said:
I have no idea what the government(s) hope to gain from this, it certainly isn't about democracy or defending civilians because this is a civil war, nothing more and nothing less.

They hope the other side will favour them I guess but I don't really think the rewards will be worth it in the long run.
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On the BBC the former Chief of the General Staff, Gen Dannatt said it was not about democracy or protecting civilians but regime change. Basically they want to put in their puppet ruler.
 
Firestar_3x said:
How else do we get him to stop brutilising his people then, go in and ask him pretty please with a cherry on top?
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We do nothing, let them get on with it. Or we intervene in EVERY country where the leaders aren't all soft and cuddly. You know, not just the countries important to our energy security.
 
They want to give the Libyan people the chance to rise up and take control of the country, they can't do it without help, no-one should be forced to live under the same dictatorship for the past 40 years.

The people have spoken, they want chance, we are the facilitator of this change.

dirtydog said:
We do nothing, let them get on with it.
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Nothing would ever change in that case.
 
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do_ron_ron said:
On the BBC the former Chief of the General Staff, Gen Dannatt said it was not about democracy or protecting civilians but regime change. Basically they want to put in their puppet ruler.
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Yep.

The BBC also had on Col. Bob Stewart who had the opposite view, he was very gung ho about how we need to remove Gadaffi to protect the people blah blah blah... maybe he even believes the crap he spouts but more likely he's just another shill for the warmongers and globalists who control Western foreign policy.
 
Firestar_3x said:
They want to give the Libyan people the chane to rise up and take control of the country, they can't do it without help, no-one should be forced to live under the same dictatorship for the past 40 years.

The people have spoken, they want chance, we are the facilitator of this change.



Nothing would ever change in that case.
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Some of the people have spoken, not all. It isn't up to us from outside to pick sides.

I don't hear Obama calling for regime change in Saudi Arabia or Bahrain, despite the brutal dictatorships there. Nor did he in Libya until his hand was forced. The US are right about one thing they said about Gadaffi, but it applies equally well to themselves: don't listen to what the US *say*, watch what they do. And you get a very different picture.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Ceasefire? At no point did Gaddafi's forces actually stop firing accoring to all of the new reports. So why would the rebels stop?
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And are those reports accurate? Do you know how accurate reports typically are during conflicts of this nature? Not very. Reports earlier said the jet was Gadaffi's for example.
 
However one thing i will say is: I can see this getting very nasty very quickly, the threats to the west are free flowing now, Gadaffi simply isn't going to leave power, he's used to all this really and will hang on to his power till the bitter end.

Bombing key targets and stopping him from launching aircraft is one thing, putting a total stop to his troops without touching the ground is quite another.
 
Firestar_3x said:
How else do we get him to stop brutilising his people then, go in and ask him pretty please with a cherry on top?
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You are politically naive. Do you really think that the US and UK care less if the ruler of a country is "brutalising" his people as long as he is onside.
Some of the worst were put in or supported by the US/UK. Saddam is a classic case, he was the star until he decided to follow policy that conflicted with the US.

Look at East Timor, The UK was supplying planes that were being used to bomb the people.
 
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Firestar_3x said:
However one thing i will say is: I can see this getting very nasty very quickly, the threats to the west are free flowing now, Gadaffi simply isn't going to leave power, he's used to all this really and will hang on to his power till the bitter end.

Bombing key targets and stopping him from launching aircraft is one thing, putting a total stop to his troops without touching the ground is quite another.
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And the possibility of another conflict where our own weapons are turned on us.
 
Firestar_3x said:
However one thing i will say is: I can see this getting very nasty very quickly, the threats to the west are free flowing now, Gadaffi simply isn't going to leave power, he's used to all this really and will hang on to his power till the bitter end.

Bombing key targets and stopping him from launching aircraft is one thing, putting a total stop to his troops without touching the ground is quite another.
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So how do you bomb Gadaffi's forces in Benghazi, now he is apparently there in the suburbs, without killing the civilians you purport to be wanting to protect.

In built up areas bombs of all kinds will take out friend and foe. You risk alienating the people you claim to want to support.
 
OldCoals said:
Right, so are we going into the Yemen, Bahrain or Saudi Arabia?
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do_ron_ron said:
You are politically naive. Do you really think that the US and UK care less is the ruler of a country is "brutalising" his people as long as he is onside.
Some of the worst were put in or supported by the US/UK. Saddam is a classic case, he was the star until he decided to follow policy that conflicted with the US.

Look at East Timor, The UK was supplying planes that were being used to bomb the people.
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You can't "fix" the world overnight, things of late in Libya have tipped over the edge, you have to go with popular political opinion, these sort of operations cannot be filled by one nation alone.

One day i'm sure we will also deal with the other countys, one step at a time...

Yes other motivations exist and rightfully so, world energy security is important, some styles of ruling aren't compatible with a civilised world.

But we get it, a few of you are anti war.

do_ron_ron said:
So how do you bomb Gadaffi's forces in Benghazi, now he is apparently there in the suburbs, without killing the civilians you purport to be wanting to protect.

In built up areas bombs of all kinds will take out friend and foe. You risk alienating the people you claim to want to support.
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Knock out his air defence system, ground his jets, send in the helicopters.
 
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