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[dirtydog]

One day i'm sure we will also deal with the other countries

No, we won't. You don't seem to understand Western foreign policy. We will support ANY regime no matter how nasty, so long as they play ball with us. We do not give a toss about the ordinary peoples of those countries, except insofar as they pose a threat to the status quo.

Yes other motivations exist and rightfully so, world energy security is important, some styles of ruling aren't compatible with a civilised world.

But we get it, a few of you are anti war.

Anybody in their right mind is anti war, aren't they?

 

[Danthus]

You can't "fix" the world overnight, things of late in Libya have tipped over the edge, you have to go with popular political opinion, these sort of operations cannot be filled by one nation alone.

One day i'm sure we will also deal with the other countys, one step at a time...

Yes other motivations exist and rightfully so, world energy security is important, some styles of ruling aren't compatible with a civilised world.

But we get it, a few of you are anti war.

You sound like a politician with the fix the world over night line, that is nothing more than a sound bite.

I am not anti war at all, I would always support military action where we face a risk.

"We" selective police the world, the war on terror is a sham, it was quoted that 75% of the terror threat to the UK comes from Pakistan yet we haven't invaded them.

We don't care about humanitarianism, if we did then we would not have stood by and let Mugabe act the way he did, the west just hid behind the fact that other African nations didn't do anything either.

 

[Pinkribbonscars]

We do nothing, let them get on with it. Or we intervene in EVERY country where the leaders aren't all soft and cuddly. You know, not just the countries important to our energy security.

Why shouldn't we try and influence countries who supply our resources, I don't see why we should be ashamed of doing this? I agree we shouldn't waste our armed forces just because people are being oppressed, we should only deploy them if it's in our national interest.

 

[do_ron_ron]

You can't "fix" the world overnight, things of late in Libya have tipped over the edge, you have to go with popular political opinion, these sort of operations cannot be filled by one nation alone.

One day i'm sure we will also deal with the other countys, one step at a time...

Yes other motivations exist and rightfully so, world energy security is important, some styles of ruling aren't compatible with a civilised world.

You are being very very idealistic. Sadly the world is not like that or we would have perpetual peace and harmony.

But we get it, a few of you are anti war.

We cannot see any benefit to the UK of getting involved in this conflict.

Knock out his air defence system, ground his jets, send in the helicopters.

And watch the body bags arriving home.

 

[Firestar_3x]

So enough of what we shouldn't do we could argue till the cows come home, and i'm too old and wise to bother doing that.

What should we do, simply stand back and let them get on with killing themselves till the uprising is squashed and Gidaffi can sit back and count his money?

 

[Danthus]

No, we won't. You don't seem to understand Western foreign policy. We will support ANY regime no matter how nasty, so long as they play ball with us. We do not give a toss about the ordinary peoples of those countries, except insofar as they pose a threat to the status quo.

And this is another conflict where western weapons will be turned on the provider.

It was only the other week Cameron was in Egypt spouting his rubbish flanked by arms dealers.

The hypocrisy is shameful and embarrassing.

 

[Danthus]

So enough of what we shouldn't do we could argue till the cows come home, and i'm too old and wise to bother doing that.

You come across as very naive and lap up everything the western media prints.

What should be do, simply stand back and let them get on with killing themselves till the uprising is squashed and Gidaffi can sit back and count his money?

Yes, because to do other wise fuels the hate towards us.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Regardless of what we do or don't do, a hardcore of people / nations are always going to hate us, you can't be popular with everyone, i'd rather be in with he group we are than any other group of nations in the world.

 

[Danthus]

Regardless of what we do or don't do, a hardcore of people / nations are always going to hate us, you can't be popular with everyone, i'd rather be in with he group we are than any other group of nations in the world.

No, but we could be a lot more popular if we stopped being Americas lap dog for a start.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Having the biggest military power in the world onside is well worth the lack of popularity that some two bit countries show towards us, its gives us a security net that we otherwise wouldn't have and makes those who may have otherwise considered taking action against us think otherwise.

 

[loltim]

So it looks like the ceasefire was said for the lulz. I wonder when we and France will go in?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12793919

 

[Firestar_3x]

Right after the meeting in Paris so they say, however its also been reported Civilians are standing around targets.

Now if this is a forced thing or otherwise i'm not sure, he will be lining up people around and on the runways next.....

 

[Danthus]

Having the biggest military power in the world onside is well worth the lack of popularity that some two bit countries show towards us, its gives us a security net that we otherwise wouldn't have and makes those who may have otherwise considered taking action against us think otherwise.

Do you honestly think that being Americas lapdog makes us more secure?

 

[Firestar_3x]

Do you honestly think it doesnt?

 

[Danthus]

Do you honestly think it doesnt?

No it doesn't, it makes us a target.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Yes but you have to weight up the possible addition threat vs the benefit gained.

Benefit far outweighs the risk.

 

[atpbx]

What should we do, simply stand back and let them get on with killing themselves till the uprising is squashed and Gidaffi can sit back and count his money?

The thing with the middle east problem is that the only way to solve it is to kill every single man woman and child that lives there.

So unless someone is prepared to do that, us getting involved will solve NOTHING in the short or long term other than costing the UK a ******* fortune and getting our troops killed for absolutely no reason what so ever.

They kill each other, its what they do, do not get involved because they absolutely will not listen.

 

[Danthus]

Yes but you have to weight up the possible addition threat vs the benefit gained.

Benefit far outweighs the risk.

Tell that to the families of all the dead soldiers, the millions of Iraqi people that have died, and the families of the 7/7 victims.

 

[Zip]

Any news on what's happening with that new summit they are holding? If they are going to act the need to act very very soon.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Tell that to the families of all the dead soldiers, the millions of Iraqi people that have died, and the families of the 7/7 victims.

You seem to be thinking that the only possible future conflict would originate from an Arab nation.

Millions of Iraqi people dead, nice.

You have no idea how many people would have died without military intervention, and in addition to this you have no idea how many of those who have died can be put down to the action which has taken place.

Yes it's very sad that some of our lads have come back in body bags, and in an ideal world it would be nice if this never happened, however you have no idea what threat these country’s could have posed to us in the future, even without military action being taken against them they have never been pro west.

Any news on what's happening with that new summit they are holding? If they are going to act the need to act very very soon.

Not yet, any moment now, hopefully the France and UK PMs will speak.