Inset Days

[RDM]

Overall, teachers have more holidays over the course of the year, and that is a fact.

As far as professions go though the earning potential of a teacher is considerably less than most other professions. This is of course offset by the many benefits of being a teacher (some tangible like holidays, others less tangible).

And 12 weeks instead of 13 would still be a substantial "perk" at the same time of addressing the need for more stability and class-time for children and the various economic arguments inherent to Parents needing to take extra days in lieu of childcare etc.

But it would be less of a perk than it is currently, if you are going to lower the value of a perk surely you need to compensate them for it? If your work wanted to remove or lessen a benefit you have would you not be keen on seeing some recompense for it?

Not to mention it isn't like arranging the day off is all that difficult considering how far in advance you get notice of the requirement. Take it as an opportunity to spend quality time with your child.

 

[j0s]

The police gets threats of attacked too, as to prison officers, and Paramedics, social workers...the list goes on.

Usually that is adults on adults, adults on kids is different for teachers.

 

[j0s]

Teachers can also get accused of physical or verbal contact, or even in some cases sexual contact it is recorded on their record for 2 years even if they are found innocent.

 

[Castiel]

Sorry can you make your mind up about what you're advocating, as here:



you're on about 5 weeks?

Imo reducing their hol time by a week is perfectly reasonable, but give them just 5 weeks and keep the same pay and you'll simply get even fewer people training as teachers than already do. Not exactly conducive to quality in the education system.

It is quite clear what I am on about in the OP.

I am on about the 5 days, I mentioned that if the entitlement was the same as every one else and not more than twice that of everyone else then there would be ample time to accommodate teacher training, that is all.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Usually that is adults on adults, adults on kids is different for teachers.

So kids vs Adults is what? more dangerous? Or are you saying it's because they are kids you can't hit them?

I think the law on self defence is "reasonable force" it does not specify an age of the attacker before you can defend yourself. If the person shouting abuse at you, whether he is 5 or 50, you can't hit him. If the attacker comes at you with a knife, I am sure no jury will convict me if I knock him out with a punch (verses a knife, and lets just say I got a lucky punch and didn't get stab). Whether the attacker is 15 or 50. Knife vs Punch, it is reasonable in self defence.

And again, you are bringing "stress" into this.

Which I stated, is subjective.

 

[the_jetsetwilly]

to the OP
My Mrs says for her (in primary) 50% of inset days are not needed and the other 50% could be done on the last day of the holidays, and if anyone has a problem with that take it up with the education minister not the teachers

 

[Raymond Lin]

to the OP
My Mrs says for her (in primary) 50% of inset days are not needed and the other 50% could be done on the last day of the holidays, and if anyone has a problem with that take it up with the education minister not the teachers

But if the Educational Minister wants to move it onto a School Holiday? What do you think the Union is going to do?

 

[RDM]

But if the Educational Minister wants to move it onto a School Holiday? What do you think the Union is going to do?

Complain as their members are losing a benefit with no recompense? Seems pretty obvious really. But then wouldn't you?

 

[Raymond Lin]

Complain as their members are losing a benefit with no recompense? Seems pretty obvious really. But then wouldn't you?

EXACTLY !!! and you have no cause to if you compare your working hours to the rest of the working profession. Teachers get 2 to 3 times the number of holidays!

Still, all the teachers here, no one has given me a number of holidays they have a year.

I have 24 + public holidays. Whats yours?

 

[the_jetsetwilly]

@Raymond Lin get a different job or join a union

 

[RDM]

EXACTLY !!! and you have no cause to if you compare your working hours to the rest of the working profession.

What others get for their holidays is neither here nor there to be honest, teachers get what they get. If you were going to have a benefit you currently get cut, surely you would want some recompense for it? Would you take a 10% paycut just because other professions are paid less than you?

The main gist of the argument seems to be that inset days are inconvenient to parents, is that reason enough to reduce the benefits of a profession?

Still, all the teachers here, no one has given me a number of holidays they have a year.

Not a teacher (have career aspirations in that direction though) so not entirely sure but the internet says 66 days.

I have 24 + public holidays. Whats yours?

My last job was 28 + public holidays but as a student every day is a holiday currently.

However at 66 days teachers get about double (remember that public holidays are included in a teacher's holidays). They are also fixed with no time allowed during term time.

 

[Castiel]

As far as professions go though the earning potential of a teacher is considerably less than most other professions. This is of course offset by the many benefits of being a teacher (some tangible like holidays, others less tangible).

That is not true, career progression to some extremely high salaries is possible in the teaching profession.

Average wage of a deputy head is over £50k, for a Head themselves it is £72k

Are you seriously suggesting that is considerable less than other comparable professions.

Secondary school teachers average salaries at £34, 575 are comparable with Chartered accountants at £34, 936 and Profession Occupations as a whole at £34,358.

Overall the average wage of ALL education professionals is around £32k.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/work/article.html?in_article_id=519547&in_page_id=53928




http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/jan/28/headteachers-schools-fail-salaries

But it would be less of a perk than it is currently, if you are going to lower the value of a perk surely you need to compensate them for it? If your work wanted to remove or lessen a benefit you have would you not be keen on seeing some recompense for it?

No, you need not compensate. Simply 90 day notice is required.

Unfortunately everyone is being asked to re-evaluate their budgets etc, as well as the extra teaching time for the children and less time lost due to people having to take days off work etc.

Not to mention it isn't like arranging the day off is all that difficult considering how far in advance you get notice of the requirement. Take it as an opportunity to spend quality time with your child.

Yet I have plenty of time to spend quality time with my child. Arranging odd times off when you do not have 13 weeks holiday is immensely difficult regardless of the notice given (in fact for me personally it isn't, but that is irrelevant). Not when such a simple alternative is to put the 5 days training requirement in the first or last week of the summer vacation.

 

[Raymond Lin]

@Raymond Lin get a different job or join a union

Actually, I am not complaining the number of holiday allowance i have.

However, it does make me sick a little when teachers complain about losing that odd day a year. What a joke. Playing the stress card is also a joke (you don't see riot police complain), as to the threat of violence from kids (see my previous list).

I see friends who are teachers on Facebook say things like:

"Dammit, Half term and I have to go to a school trip to Barcelona :/"

So I wrote a comment "but you are in Barcelona!"

She replied with "But I have to look after kids all week!"

A couple of days later I see an Facebook update with

"Ahhh, sitting in the sun drinking vino at 3pm"

I mean, WTF? That's not exactly work is it?

Then another posts "I don't want to go back to work tomorrow!!!"

After a half term break, well, I worked all last week, at least she had a week off!

Teachers just don't know how good they have it.

 

[Castiel]

to the OP
My Mrs says for her (in primary) 50% of inset days are not needed and the other 50% could be done on the last day of the holidays, and if anyone has a problem with that take it up with the education minister not the teachers

Considering that the last time the Govt tried to address this the Teaching Unions demanded a 50% pay increase as compensation I would say that the problem is also with the Teachers themselves, or at least the Unions that represent them.

 

[meghatronic]

If teaching was such a **** easy job then everyone would do it.

Actually, isn't the expression, "Those that can do, those that can't......."

 

[the_jetsetwilly]

@Raymond Lin, you've got a bee in your bonnet and for that reason im out.


i repeat with this
"To the teachers in this thread, my respect and thankyou for teaching the next and future generations I'd rather have you recovered and rested ready to teach children rather than run down and stressed out which is the mental and physical state you get to just before "holiday" time."

 

[Raymond Lin]

@Raymond Lin, you've got a bee in your bonnet and for that reason im out.


i repeat with this
"To the teachers in this thread, my respect and thankyou for teaching the next and future generations I'd rather have you recovered and rested ready to teach children rather than run down and stressed out which is the mental and physical state you get to just before "holiday" time."

I am talking a simple fact.

Number of holidays.

I don't know why people keep changing the topic and bringing up the subject of stress?

I am grateful for what they do, dont get me wrong on that, very grateful.

 

[Castiel]

I'd have schools open for lessons at 7.30, work to 1pm, and then have organised activites 4 of the afternoons in the week, sport, music, technology, whatever, the could be choice, and it would demonstrate school isn't just books or education, but its a damn important part of it.

I quite agree with you, I would like to see that kind of education system. However, what would the Teachers think about it.

I think I know, unfortunately.

No-one is disputing that the vast majority of Teachers and their assistants do a fantastic and at times difficult job. Given the lack of discipline and the way in which current thinking has tied their hands in the majority of issues facing them I think they should be commended more often.

However, that doesn't change the fact that reducing the holiday entitlement to 12 weeks instead of 13 to accommodate the training days is not too onerous a request.

 

[RDM]

No, you need not compensate. Simply 90 day notice is required.

Unfortunately everyone is being asked to re-evaluate their budgets etc, as well as the extra teaching time for the children and less time lost due to people having to take days off work etc.

So you would be fine if the company you are working for just gave you 90 days notice of a 10% pay cut? No negotiation, just did it? I know I wouldn't be, yet you expect teachers to just take it on the chin because you don't want to take a day off?

 

[meghatronic]

So you would be fine if the company you are working for just gave you 90 days notice of a 10% pay cut? No negotiation, just did it? I know I wouldn't be, yet you expect teachers to just take it on the chin because you don't want to take a day off?

I'd vote with my feet.

Most teachers profess "it's about the children". Well then....