Inset Days

[Justintime]

It sounds to me that teachers think they are the only profession who:

Has stress
Deal with difficult people
Work long hours
In physical danger
Get abusive clients
Work at home
Think they should be paid more
Has to deal with policies
Has meetings and planning

Lot of other professions does too, and they don't have half the holidays.

The important part is that you don't see them playing the "the kids are stressful" card every time the topic of pay or holiday comes up.

Sounds to me like you've got something against teachers lol. My dad dosen't whinge about any of that, i make note of it though. Maybe you can change that holiday policy when you take political power

 

[Castiel]

It sounds to me that teachers think they are the only profession who:

Has stress
Deal with difficult people
Work long hours
In physical danger
Get abusive clients
Work at home
Think they should be paid more
Has to deal with policies
Has meetings and planning

Lot of other professions does too, and they don't have half the holidays.

The important part is that you don't see them playing the "the kids are stressful" card every time the topic of pay or holiday comes up.

Exactly.


However, having listened to some of what has been said, I would be happy to have the Teachers paid extra for the time they lose in holiday, not the 50% increase in annual salaries they demanded but pay equal to the amount of lost time.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Sounds to me like you've got something against teachers lol. My dad dosen't whinge about any of that, i make note of it though. Maybe you can change that holiday policy when you take political power

Then read back this thread on how many people brought up what i listed above when all i wanted to talk about is that i think teachers gets more holidays than most other professions. They all play the stress card or working at home card.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Exactly.


However, having listened to some of what has been said, I would be happy to have the Teachers paid extra for the time they loose in holiday, not the 50% increase in annual salaries they demanded but pay equal to the amount of lost time.

Ditto, proportionate.

 

[Deleted member 651465]

Teachers take the biscuit. All the time they get off and they moan that they have a hard time marking homework or exam papers.

Copy and paste was invented for a reason yo.

I may become a teacher. Seems like a sweet deal tbh.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Uh???

If you have to take an extra 5 days per year to accommodate the 5 extra inset days then how is that not taking extra days?

What?

You don't take an extra 5 days holiday - you use 5 days of your annual leave allocation to cover the inset days.

You'd use your annual leave allocation each year regardless of inset days or not.

 

[Castiel]

What?

You don't take an extra 5 days holiday - you use 5 days of your annual leave allocation to cover the inset days.

You'd use your annual leave allocation each year regardless of inset days or not.

Then I would have to then find cover for 5 days during the other school holidays instead.

5.6 weeks doesn't fit into 13 weeks no matter how you try.

If you take 2 weeks to cover Christmas Holidays, Two weeks for summer vacation and a week at Easter, where do you find the other week to cover the inset days.

And if you take the inset days as vacation, where do you fit in the lost week.

Far easier and practical to have the inset days on days that the school is already closed to children and that would save 5 days where you would either have to provide childcare, take holiday or take unpaid time off work. The actual school closures are already there, why add more.


For example, Half term runs from Monday to Sunday. I take a weeks leave to look after my young son. No problem. However an inset day is added to the Friday prior to the Half Term break, thus I have to take an extra days holiday to accommodate this, leaving me with one days less holiday the next time a school break comes along.

Now toward the end of the school year, I have taken my holiday entitlement, and due to the necessity of taking 4 periods of 4 weeks and 1 day, I only have 1 days holiday remaining, but there is another half term break to accommodate, what do I do, If the inset days had been included in the 13 weeks holiday that the Children get outside of term time I would still have enough holiday to take the full week, but as it is I would either have to take unpaid time, or pay for extra childcare.

Thus it is 5 days lost to me, my firm and the economy as a whole.

 

[RDM]

Uh???

If you have to take an extra 5 days per year to accommodate the 5 extra inset days then how is that not taking extra days?

Before you had kids did you take five days less holiday time? I know I certainly didn't. Therefore there isn't an additional economic cost.

If those days were incorporated into the Summer Holidays, instead of spread out across the year then it would be a simple matter of incorporating them into annual leave entitlement.

If you take the inset days as part of your holiday entitlement, you still need to accommodate the entire Summer Vacation period as well.

Unless you intend to give everyone 13 weeks holiday people are still going to have to find something other than leave to cover school holidays. One of the many challanges you get to face being a parent. Even with two working parents you still need to find additional cover.

Currently Parents need to find provision for 13 weeks holiday plus 5 inset days. If the inset days were moved to the summer term they would then have 5 days less to find provision for, as they would already be providing some form of child-care, be it Holiday Entitlement or Child-Care of some form.

So if we incorporate the five days into the existing school holidays then we need less child care provision. That is a lot of lost child care places. Looks like your idea may lead to an economic loss too.

Either way it is 5 less days lost.

Unless you are giving out five additional days holiday to parents then companies are losing nothing.

 

[MidnightLamp]

I'm a peripatetic and I work 30 weeks a year so a couple of insets here and there doesn't bother me in the slightest XD

<3 my job

 

[vicisthebest]

Teachers take the biscuit. All the time they get off and they moan that they have a hard time marking homework or exam papers.

Copy and paste was invented for a reason yo.

I may become a teacher. Seems like a sweet deal tbh.

Good luck with that.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

but there is another half term break to accommodate, what do I do,

Pay to put them in a holiday club?


I love people that have children then moan about what a pita it is


So, what you're saying is, you're quite happy to have someone else's T&C's changed simply because currently it's an inconvenience for you?


You CHOSE to have children - man up and deal with the consequences.

 

[Castiel]

Before you had kids did you take five days less holiday time? I know I certainly didn't. Therefore there isn't an additional economic cost.

I didn't have to take 5 days extra cover at some point un-necessarily either. If the Inset days were incorporated into the Summer Holidays then it is 5 days that are already given to provision of one form or another.

Unless you intend to give everyone 13 weeks holiday people are still going to have to find something other than leave to cover school holidays. One of the many challanges you get to face being a parent. Even with two working parents you still need to find additional cover.

Indeed, so why make it more difficult by closing the school un-necessarily to students.

So if we incorporate the five days into the existing school holidays then we need less child care provision. That is a lot of lost child care places. Looks like your idea may lead to an economic loss too.
Unless you are giving out five additional days holiday to parents then companies are losing nothing.

Loss of production, the need to cover lost days of salaried staff, work hours lost due to staff needing extra time off and so on.

Add the 5 days to the Summer vacation and then there is no need. As for the loss of child care to the economy, there is a substantial lack of available childcare to begin with, so no it wouldn't.

Interestingly as well are the child care cost increase exponentially during Holidays and unsurprisingly Inset days.

 

[Castiel]

Pay to put them in a holiday club?


I love people that have children then moan about what a pita it is


So, what you're saying is, you're quite happy to have someone else's T&C's changed simply because currently it's an inconvenience for you?


You CHOSE to have children - man up and deal with the consequences.

It has nothing to do with me personally, I have no issues with child care or the provision for it.

However, the issue of schools is that they are a Public Service, not a charity. If the movement of inset days to days when the school is closed anyway helps the community and public at large then as a public service it is incumbent on it to take those concerns seriously.

I have already said that adequate compensation should be considered, either in an increase in salary for the 5 days, or overtime payments for the training required. This would target those who do in fact take the training, instead of using the days for personal days or additions to their holiday entitlement.

Also in response to your " pay for a holiday club?" remark

What about those on low incomes, who can't afford holiday clubs or private child care?

What about the single parents who can't afford to take time off work to accommodate yet another holiday for Teaching staff.

Should the Taxpayer be burdened again with the cost of these Inset days?

Is it fair on those people and the taxpayer, when a simple and effective solution is available?

 

[Raymond Lin]

Lets just face it.

Teaches like to have 68days off instead of 63 because they are VERY stressed and constantly under the threat of violence and they have to go to meetings and stuff. You know, those 5 days REALLY helps.

We, the rest of the populations, just eat cookies and drink milk.

 

[Lakeland]

Some skewed ideas of how teachers work as usual. The idea of having all of the insets at once isn't really viable as the insets are usually specific to a period in the year e.g. start of a new year, exam time, specific training requirements that crop up part way through a year.

It is possible for some teachers to use their holidays to do nothing, however, most teachers I know spend hours during their holidays working, and in the department I work in, of the last 14 days holiday, 3/5 of us spent every one of those days working 9-3 in school. As for money it is relative to how long the person has been teaching, and if you do not perform, you don't go through threshold. Also account for what teachers spend on resources, especially at the moment with very tight if not impossible budgets, teachers end up spending money on resources to ensure that the kids do not suffer due to the budget restrictions. In our department I know that teachers have spent around 2k between them since September alone.

End of the day you pick your profession and get on with it, taking the good with the bad, there's no point getting irate at something you can do nothing about.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Some skewed ideas of how teachers work as usual. The idea of having all of the insets at once isn't really viable as the insets are usually specific to a period in the year e.g. start of a new year, exam time, specific training requirements that crop up part way through a year.

It is possible for some teachers to use their holidays to do nothing, however, most teachers I know spend hours during their holidays working, and in the department I work in, of the last 14 days holiday, 3/5 of us spent every one of those days working 9-3 in school. As for money it is relative to how long the person has been teaching, and if you do not perform, you don't go through threshold. Also account for what teachers spend on resources, especially at the moment with very tight if not impossible budgets, teachers end up spending money on resources to ensure that the kids do not suffer due to the budget restrictions. In our department I know that teachers have spent around 2k between them since September alone.

End of the day you pick your profession and get on with it, taking the good with the bad, there's no point getting irate at something you can do nothing about.

Exactly, my boss takes telephone conference with the other side and the Court while he is on holiday (one time he was in France, another time he was in a mountain somewhere and you can hear goats in the background. He took files with him to work on. He came into the office on his day off (he BOOKED it off and still came in).

But he doesn't have 60+ days of holidays.

Teachers are not the only profession who work on their days off. Why do they always sound like they think they are?

 

[Lakeland]

Exactly, my boss takes telephone conference with the other side and the Court while he is on holiday (one time he was in France, another time he was in a mountain somewhere and you can hear goats in the background. He took files with him to work on. He came into the office on his day off (he BOOKED it off and still came in).

But he doesn't have 60+ days of holidays.

Since when were teachers allowed to book days off?

 

[Castiel]

Some skewed ideas of how teachers work as usual. The idea of having all of the insets at once isn't really viable as the insets are usually specific to a period in the year e.g. start of a new year, exam time, specific training requirements that crop up part way through a year.

It is possible for some teachers to use their holidays to do nothing, however, most teachers I know spend hours during their holidays working, and in the department I work in, of the last 14 days holiday, 3/5 of us spent every one of those days working 9-3 in school. As for money it is relative to how long the person has been teaching, and if you do not perform, you don't go through threshold. Also account for what teachers spend on resources, especially at the moment with very tight if not impossible budgets, teachers end up spending money on resources to ensure that the kids do not suffer due to the budget restrictions. In our department I know that teachers have spent around 2k between them since September alone.

End of the day you pick your profession and get on with it, taking the good with the bad, there's no point getting irate at something you can do nothing about.

As the Inset days are set a year in advance, then does that not indicate that the curriculum and thus the training needed during those inset days is also set in advance and as such can be given in one single block in the summer holidays preceding the beginning of the year in which that curriculum and training is required.

Even if extra training is necessary, can it not be provided on an adhoc basis during the other half-term and end of term Holidays.


I agree that you choose you career and you deal with it, you don't hear me whining on about 24 hour waking patrols through IED infested enemy entrenched positions now do you? or the fact that in my current Job, I had to return from a family holiday in Spain two weeks early to deal with an emergency at work.

It goes with the territory.

So does changes to working practices to make them more efficient and cost effective however, that includes public services like education as well as the private sector.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Since when were teachers allowed to book days off?

My point is not the days booked off. If my boss didn't book his day off, he would be in the office. The point is he came into work on his day off. That he didn't have to come in.

You were saying that teachers went into work during "holidays". I am saying my boss went into the office on his holiday too.

 

[Castiel]

Since when were teachers allowed to book days off?

They don't need to, they need to book days on, as the the ones they work on are rarer than those they do not...