Perhaps you should become a teacher? Would that not resolve the issues you have? Suffice to say that teachers deserve that time off (I'm not a teacher btw). I can assure you that the vast majorty don't actually have 63 days holiday, in fact, most probably end up with less holiday then joe average at the end of the day. So yes, those 5 days probably are important.
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Perhaps you should become a teacher? Would that not resolve the issues you have? Suffice to say that teachers deserve that time off (I'm not a teacher btw). I can assure you that the vast majorty don't actually have 63 days holiday, in fact, most probably end up with less holiday then joe average at the end of the day. So yes, those 5 days probably are important.
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No, I'd get bored when I have days off.
The last day I didn't do any work...Mid January.
I work 7 days a week. I take days off from my job so I can work on my photography job.
You think I have 24 days holiday? LOL, I'd be lucky if I have more than 10 days this year (out of 365) where I am doing nothing. And that includes Saturdays and Sundays.
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Yes most if not all of the training is set in advance, but that does not necessarily mean all the data for the training is ready when the dates are set. I would also say that for the training to be as effective as possible, it should be delivered as close as possible to the time it is going to be utilised.
E.g. our school is going to be inspected by ofsted soon, so we are having an inset which directly relates to inspections, and the people who are delivering the inset will be providing data which is up to date.
Usually these insets are held after school and are an hour long. This can create problems for students who attend after school clubs though as the clubs have to be cancelled.
As for using half term and end of term, it wouldn't cause me that much of a problem, however staff who have children would struggle taking children on holiday if they had an inset in the middle of their "week off". It's one thing working during holidays, but it's another when you have to be in work. There is the argument that other professionals don't have that pleasure, but teachers don't have the opportunity to book days off.
In other news, school holidays are annoying for parents that can take their leave at any time, and bank holidays are annoying for parents with jobs that need them to work on bank holidays.
I fail to see the issue here, companies are closed on occasions to the public/customers for staff training days without asking staff to do it in their holiday time, it's no different?
I fail to see the issue here, companies are closed on occasions to the public/customers for staff training days without asking staff to do it in their holiday time, it's no different?
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Because if the only reason you are becoming a teacher is because of the holidays you would probably make a pretty poor teacher...
I hear you there...my point is that every job has it's ups and downs and although I'm not a teacher I don't begrudge them for their holidays in the same way that I don't begrudge footballers for earning ridiculous amounts of money. Good luck to them
term time my wife is out the house by 7.15, gets back at 6:30, and then works her @rse off until 9ish. The kids are lucky, she is dedicated to improving them and herself. holidays will typically see her work many half days preparing for the next term. She has only been teaching 3 years and had a different year group each time, so this will get easy when she has a stock of lessons and experience to fall back on.
Some may abuse the system, but many of the teaches i know work far longer ours than the average man /woman or infact your partner. Holidays are indeed longer... but every job has its perks right?
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The Primary School teacher I know doesn't work anywhere near those hours, neither does she need to.
I suggest that time-management is more the issue than the need to work those hours.
My wife leaves the house at 6am, returns at 6-7pm and then proceeds to work at home more often than not, she works weekends and also often needs to make conference calls in the early hours to foreign offices.
She was working Christmas day.
She gets 5 weeks holiday, not 13. Teachers do not have it that hard, compared to many comparable professions they have significantly better working conditions in fact.
The ATL teaching Union states that the average total working time for teachers is 51hrs per week. That is about average for a bus driver, who earns far less and does an arguably harder job with similar levels of verbal abuse and significantly higher incidence of physical abuse. They receive 4-5 weeks holiday.
Actual on-the job teaching time is 6.4hrs per day. Even if they work an average of 3 hrs at home everyday, that still only brings them up to the normal working time of normal contracted industry standards.
Remember the time you take to and from your place of work, lunches etc are not work hours. I think Teachers seem to forget that.
Edit: retraction of the "tosh" statement.
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"my wife works hard than yours".... great i bow down, and dont acuse people of lying without consideration. I have no desire to argue. I live with her so should know when she leaves and gets in.
She may not be representative, not all teachers are so dedicated. She has obtained outstanding results in her short time working. Put more in - get more out.
/edit oh god... just seen your bit about bus drivers. I will duck out - cant argue with that, you are so right that driving a bus is harder than teaching.
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I didn't accuse anyone of lying, only of the necessity of better time management.
And I was illustrating that Teachers do not work longer than the average man or woman, not that "my wife works harder than yours", although that is exactly what you did in respect to Raymond's colleague. So a little hypocritical of you.
How far does she live from School?
How much time is spent socially in the Staff room?
I find it improbable that she spends over 13hrs every day working.
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no no, your right, you accused no-one of lying.
I am out. There is no point in even trying to defend public sector workers. Lesson learned.
I'll retract the "tosh" statement to negate any more confusion on your part.
Yet you can't seem to justify your claims then or answer simple questions.
It's got nothing to do with public sector workers, it has everything to do with the claims you made that Teachers work far more hours and harder than the average man or woman.
I gave specific examples of how that is not the case and all you can do is give nonsensical replies instead of addressing the points made.
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It's not about right or wrong, it is only my opinion.
The "utter tosh" remark, in hindsight was unfair and easily misconstrued, my apologies.
I think, the only ones that would be annoyed about reducing the holidays, are the old school teachers. The ones that have teached for a good few years.
I asked our lass, and she wasn't to fussed if it got reduced, even the school she is at is having cutbacks 8 teachers being made redundant.
I asked our lass, and she wasn't to fussed if it got reduced, even the school she is at is having cutbacks 8 teachers being made redundant.
I get that but my point was showing that the large number of holidays teachers get are being used in school so there are not as many holidays as first appears. I myself have spent over three full weeks in school over the holidays since september and we are only part way through the year. Then if you're going to be pedantic and add up overtime that eats up even more time. I spend hours working with kids through my dinner break and afterschool, and for all the clubs I do there are a plethora of things I need to do to make sure they run smoothly, such as organising for external companies to come in on a weekly basis can take up hours.
And of course while I'm staying back puTting extra hours in I see teachers walk passed my window at 3:15 to get in their car and go home and they don't return until 08:30 for registration.