Poll: DELETED_74993

[Danthus]

So if the rebels get new weapons and start killing and injuring civilians who supported Gaddafi will we bomb them too??

No.

 

[Glaucus]

It makes a huge difference as to who is in the vehicles, otherwise you may target innocent civilians.

How are they innocent civilians if they are gunning down peaceful protesters.

So if the rebels get new weapons and start killing and injuring civilians who supported Gaddafi will we bomb them too??

I would say yes as it seems we have UN sanctions to protect civilians.

 

[Danthus]

How are they innocent civilians if they are gunning down peaceful protesters.



I would say yes as it seems we have UN sanctions to protect civilians.

My point was that if you have mercenaries, dressed a civilians moving around and killing people, it would be just easy to target innocent civilians.

Rebels, civilians; civilians, rebels; which is which?

 

[Firestar_3x]

You are aware how powerful airborne surveillance has become aren't you?

Or do you also think aka DirtyDog nothing has moved on from 1991..........

 

[Glaucus]

My point was that if you have mercenaries, dressed a civilians moving around and killing people, it would be just easy to target innocent civilians.

Rebels, civilians; civilians, rebels; which is which?

Yo do realise this is not the 1950s, we have UAVS up which have cameras on and can track targets. It's quite easy to tell who is doing the killing and track.
Then it just depends if we can keep track of them and what munitions we have in the area. As we don;t have ground troops, we have to attack in fairly open places. We can;t attack if they go to ground.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Quite.

 

[Danthus]

Yo do realise this is not the 1950s, we have UAVS up which have cameras on and can track targets. It's quite easy to tell who is doing the killing and track.
Then it just depends if we can keep track of them and what munitions we have in the area. As we don;t have ground troops, we have to attack in fairly open places. We can;t attack if they go to ground.

Quite.

Like these UAV's?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/18/pakistan.drone.strike/index.html?iref=allsearch

 

[Danthus]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-in-Pakistan-is-a-civilian-report-claims.html

1 in 3 killed in done attacks are civilians.

They might be UAV's but they are flown by human beings.

 

[silversurfer]

So if the rebels get new weapons and start killing and injuring civilians who supported Gaddafi will we bomb them too??

Look at the Czech war for some reference, multiple sides faced war crime charges in the end I think

 

[dpbadger]

Has anyone seen if we have any AC130 Spectre's in theatre?

 

[Danthus]

Reuters are reporting fighting on the ground in Banghazi.

 

[Glaucus]

And how many where confirmed civilians and how many of them are collateral damage, by the munitions used.

 

[Firestar_3x]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-in-Pakistan-is-a-civilian-report-claims.html

1 in 3 killed in done attacks are civilians.

They might be UAV's but they are flown by human beings.

The problem with a report like that is you can twist the numbers, you will never get a full set of official figures for the number of enemy’s actually killed and you can't verify every single enemy claim.

So what can we deduce other than the above, well clearly it depends on the proximity of the enemy to the civilians, the numbers don't tell you if it's an identification or proximity issue.

So without knowing this original point still stands, manned and unmanned surveillance and identification is top notch.

Has anyone seen if we have any AC130 Spectre's in theatre?

Not that i've seen.

 

[Danthus]

The problem with a report like that is you can twist the numbers, you will never get a full set of official figures for the number of enemy’s actually killed and you can't verify every single enemy claim.

So what can we deduce other than the above, well clearly it depends on the proximity of the enemy to the civilians, the numbers don't tell you if it's an identification or proximity issue.

So without knowing this original point still stands, manned and unmanned surveillance and identification is top notch.

So in short, civilians can die in UAV attacks, yes?

 

[Firestar_3x]

Yes, but you can also die in a head on car collision, that's out of your control.....

Are you trying to say unless war is 100% civilian damage free then it shouldn't happen?

 

[Robbo]

Are you trying to say unless war is 100% civilian damage free then it shouldn't happen?

Well, that is more or less impossible in nearly all cases. Especially nowadays.

 

[Glaucus]

So in short, civilians can die in UAV attacks, yes?

Any attack can result in civilian deaths. It's called collateral damage and is unavoidable.

 

[Firestar_3x]

I think the critical point to make, and one i was pushing towards before is how our attacks take place have changed in the past 10 - 15 years, we have gone out of our way to protect and avoid collateral damage.

 

[Merlin5]

The libyan military announced a recommended ceasefire to start at 7pm GMT which of course didn't happen, so, did they actually want it but gaddafi ignored the military recommendation, or was it just a blatant lie?

 

[Danthus]

The libyan military announced a recommended ceasefire to start at 7pm GMT which of course didn't happen, so, did they actually want it but gaddafi ignored the military recommendation, or was it just a blatant lie?

How do you know it didn't happen?