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Were we right to get involved in Libya?

  • Yes

    Votes: 306 50.9%

  • No

    Votes: 295 49.1%
  • Total voters
    601
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Surfer said:
All you people voting that yeah we should be attacking another sovereign nation...shame on you.. I wonder if one day History will remember us (UK, US, France etc) as being the war aggressors and manipulators of regime change in foreign nations.

Ashamed to be british tbh. :(
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tell that to the millions of Libyan's who before the UN intervention lived in complete fear of a ruthless dictator intent of commiting mass murder?

Military action is never the preferred action but it is morally wrong to stand back and let a dictator massacre people.
 
mmj_uk said:
BBC propaganda machine was in overdrive this morning, some Libyan bloke in full support of us obliterating Gaddafi and a story about planes aborting a mission because they feared for nearby civilians (convenient given the Arab league concerns).
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They were just telling how it is.
 
As much as I think Gaddafi should be stopped, I cannot help thinking we have chosen a side in what is a civil war between the East and the West of Libya. You cannot ignore the huge number of civilians in tripoli and other parts of the West and South of Libya that are in full support of Gaddafi. There is obviously tribalism at play here and we have decided who should win.

This is nothing like the situations in Egypt and Tunisia where there majority wanted change and protested peacefully.
 
Zefan said:
I've heard them misquote quite a few people, another example is them saying that the presentation in the pentagon stated that the strikes have been "quite successful" when in fact he stated that they have been "very successful".

Pretty sloppy if you ask me.
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I got annoyed when they said BDA is "BOMB Damage Assessment"... It's BATTLE Damage Assessment, you cretins! :p
 
Zip said:
After reading about all the stuff gadaffi did in the 80s how the hell is he still there today?:confused:
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Because real life isn't all sweetness and light, you don't only deal with nice people.

If you read about all the stuff the US and UK did in the 80s, 90s, 00s, how come none of the presidents or prime ministers responsible ended up in the Hague on war crimes charges? Only because we are so powerful we consider ourselves above the law.
 
Sky are reporting that an arms embargo will now be placed on Libya. It is farcical what is going on.

What is the UK position on Gaddafi, because if you listen to Cameron, Hague and Fox they are clearly not reading from the same script.
 
I love people like OldCoals, he's exactly the sort of person who runs up and down the street waving his arms saying i don't want nuclear power crying his eyes out. Then when it comes to the crunch and we need rolling blackouts because we haven't got the power generation capacity he will be the FIRST to complain.
 
dirtydog said:
Because real life isn't all sweetness and light, you don't only deal with nice people.

If you read about all the stuff the US and UK did in the 80s, 90s, 00s, how come none of the presidents or prime ministers responsible ended up in the Hague on war crimes charges? Only because we are so powerful we consider ourselves above the law.
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I.don't mean removed for war crimes. But by the us or uk for attcks on there people.
 
Firestar_3x said:
How much of it involves mass genocide?
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Plenty of mass killing going on in the world today yet we aren't getting involved and few people care about it as few people hear about it and are 'told' to care about it by the media.

You are told by the media that Gaddafi is doing this and that, and suddenly you care. Where is this mass genocide which is alleged? All I see are an armed militia who have always been opposed to Gaddafi's rule, seizing the opportunity for a military coup due to the unrest throughout the region.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Looks like regime change is on the cards:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...am-Fox-RAF-blitz-Libya.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

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One of the pictures of the destroyed tank column shows a burnt out SA8 launcher. Looks like the Libyan air defence is not that effective in the first place. It is not surprising as their air defence system is quite old now.
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What is so ineffective about the Gecko? It poses a real threat to aircraft, just because it is old doesn't make it redundant.
 
dirtydog said:
Plenty of mass killing going on in the world today yet we aren't getting involved and few people care about it as few people hear about it and are 'told' to care about it by the media.

You are told by the media that Gaddafi is doing this and that, and suddenly you care. Where is this mass genocide which is alleged? All I see are an armed militia who have always been opposed to Gaddafi's rule, seizing the opportunity for a military coup due to the unrest throughout the region.
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Yes i agree lots going on but you can't fix it all in a flash, you need to deal with things as and when political opinion supports action, if we didn't then the UK would have to go it alone and have everyone moan at us.

But that wasn't the answer to the real question, which was, how much of the UK / US / EU actions in the 80's / 90's / 00's are actions of Mass Genocide?
 
Firestar_3x said:
I love people like OldCoals, he's exactly the sort of person who runs up and down the street waving his arms saying i don't want nuclear power crying his eyes out. Then when it comes to the crunch and we need rolling blackouts because we haven't got the power generation capacity he will be the FIRST to complain.
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I want more nuclear power in this country. Quite what that has to do with the situation in Libya is beyond me.
 
Firestar_3x said:
But that wasn't the answer to the real question, which was, how much of the UK / US / EU actions in the 80's / 90's / 00's are actions of Mass Genocide?
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Well, we are responsible for 100,000s or millions of civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. 100,000s of Iraqi children died due to the sanctions we imposed on Iraq between the two gulf wars for a start. Then loads more due to our bombings. You can argue it isn't deliberate genocide but what's the difference? We knew our sanctions for example, were taking a terrible toll on innocent people, the UN person in charge of it resigned in disgust, but we did it anyway - how is that not evil?

Also actual genocide, we have funded and propped up evil regimes who have done it, so again there is blood on our hands. We have done it throughout the years and we are doing it still today.

Anyone who thinks our leaders give A TOSS about civilians ANYWHERE, INCLUDING HERE, needs their heads examining.
 
dirtydog said:
Well, we are responsible for 100,000s or millions of civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. 100,000s of Iraqi children died due to the sanctions we imposed on Iraq between the two gulf wars for a start. Then loads more due to our bombings. You can argue it isn't deliberate genocide but what's the difference? We knew our sanctions for example, were taking a terrible toll on innocent people, the UN person in charge of it resigned in disgust, but we did it anyway - how is that not evil?

Also actual genocide, we have funded and propped up evil regimes who have done it, so again there is blood on our hands. We have done it throughout the years and we are doing it still today.

Anyone who thinks our leaders give A TOSS about civilians ANYWHERE, INCLUDING HERE, needs their heads examining.
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So during the whole of the UK and US actions over the past 20 years it's no worse then ONE mans actions, Ali Hassan al-Majid?

If they couldnt care less then why did they Tornades turn back lastnight after a 3,000 mile trip?

Also please provide figures for the total deaths, your quote seems somewhat high.
 
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