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Were we right to get involved in Libya?

  • Yes

    Votes: 306 50.9%

  • No

    Votes: 295 49.1%
  • Total voters
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1610: The Pentagon in the US has said 12 more cruise missiles have been fired at Libyan missile, command and air defence sites, AP reports.

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Yep, and to knock anything out should a Libyan plane take to the air, which i doubt since the US have been using B2's to bomb runways.

A little more on Spain:

Spanish aircraft joined the military operation in Libya on Monday, the Defense Ministry told Efe.

Two F-18 fighters and a Boeing-707 refueling plane took off at midday from Decimomannu airbase in southern Italy, the ministry said.

The Spanish submarine Tramontana also sailed from its base at Cartagena Monday to join the international mission, naval sources said.

The three Spanish aircraft will perform the first air-patrol mission as part of the imposition of a no-fly zone over Libya, the defense minister said in a communique.

The U.N. Security Council approved last Thursday a resolution authorizing the use of force to protect the civilian population of Libya from attacks by troops loyal to strongman Moammar Gadhafi.

Spain has deployed four F-18s and the refueling plane to assist in enforcing the no-fly zone.

The Spanish jets will operate under the command of the international coalition, currently led by U.S. Gen. Carter Ham.

The Spanish frigate Mendez Nuñez, along with the submarine Tramontana and a C-235 maritime surveillance aircraft, will join NATO forces to impose the embargo on Libya.

The Mendez Nuñez set sail Sunday from its base in the northern port of Ferrol for the Mediterranean base at Rota "so it will be positioned to reach the zone of operations in the least possible time, once the embargo operation gets the go-ahead."

Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero will appear Tuesday before the lower house of Parliament to request authorization for Spain's armed forces to take part in the Libyan mission.

The requirement for the operation to get the green light from Parliament is stated in Spain's National Defense Law, which nonetheless says that for reasons of urgency, the operation could begin without formal approval.
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OldCoals said:
But we can't stop pro Gaddafi forces killing civilians by flying Tornados and Typhoons over Libya.
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You do severly restrict his ability to so though - remember he has been using helicopters to hammer his citizens. Also, the two pilots that defected at the beginning of the protests were apparently ordered to "harass" protesters.

The only way that stops is by putting troops on the ground.
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It's not the "only" way, just the most effective. But there isn't a UN resolution endorsing that action so it's a moot point discussing it really.
 
amigafan2003 said:
You do severly restrict his ability to so though - remember he has been using helicopters to hammer his citizens. Also, the two pilots that defected at the beginning of the protests were apparently ordered to "harass" protesters.



It's not the "only" way, just the most effective. But there isn't a UN resolution endorsing that action so it's a moot point discussing it really.
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How long did Saddam last with his NFZ?

Over ten years?
 
A more stable Libya (if possible) is a far better asset to people in the market for oil, so I think its fair that we try to sort it out some way.

I think Surt produces most of libyas oil and it would be better if it was a less volatile area.

And Gadaffi is a lunatic.

The world is going a bit crazy this year to be honest!
 
Biohazard said:
How long did Saddam last with his NFZ?

Over ten years?
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But the 1991 to 2003 Northern no fly zone over Iraq was very successful at protecting the Kurds from Saddam (and protection of civilians is what we're discussing here iro the no fly zone, not regime change).
 
I still don't understand Russia/China/ Arab leaders point. What did they expect us to do, circle the area and wait for their AA to take the planes down? Why don't they know a NFZ must include taking out certain targets?:confused:
 
They do i think, they just like a moan, Arab leaders are starting to come back on side and the Russian pm has told that general who made the stupid comment to shut up.

I've been keeping such a close eye on this for a past 4 days that i need to keep reminding myself that what's reported on the news has often been superseded by an update or other news.
 
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Firestar_3x said:
They do i think, they just like a moan, Arab leaders are starting to come back on side and the Russian pm has told that general who made the stupid comment to shut up.

I've been keeping such a close eye on this for a past 4 days that i need to keep reminding myself that what's reported on the news has often been superseded by an update or other news.
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Quite - the real story comes out a good 6/12hrs after the initial report.
 
Tim said:
I still don't understand Russia/China/ Arab leaders point. What did they expect us to do, circle the area and wait for their AA to take the planes down? Why don't they know a NFZ must include taking out certain targets?:confused:
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they have taken out more than just air defenses though much more its pretty much the same they did to iraq...

its going to end up with a war going on for ages theres no way the rebels are anywhere near organised enough to take the country and secure it quickly and even if they do its likely they will be a bunch of thug milita who run taliban style...
 
James24 said:
tell that to the millions of Libyan's who before the UN intervention lived in complete fear of a ruthless dictator intent of commiting mass murder?

Military action is never the preferred action but it is morally wrong to stand back and let a dictator massacre people.
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You dont understand. You think i'm objecting to us helping civilians?

I just think its stupid to say its humanitarian reasons while clearly ignoring other places right now like Bahrain, Yemen and in the past.. Indonensia, Zimbabwe, Burma, Sudan http://www.darfurscores.org/darfur
Uzbekistan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andijan_massacre

If this "intervention" into Libya's internal struggles is a sign of a more direct interventionist strategy by the West (or UN if u like) then we should be going into Bahrain and Yemen as well....otherwise it has absolutely nothing to do with humanitarian reasons. Absolutely nothing at all... so why do we (and our politicans) adamantly continue the charade that it does.... :rolleyes:
 
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