Gambling site with camera shot of roulette table?

britboy4321

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Does anyone know a gambling site which has a web-cam (or something) of the actual real life table, and let's you put a bet on within the first few seconds of the ball being spun on to the real life table please?

I'm not after a computer generated 'graphics' table here ..

Much thanks ...
 
Pretty sure these are just recordings of each number, so it's already predetermined (randomly selected) at the same point a CGI one would be.
 
Detroit_Waves said:
You plan on trying some form of method out? Considering you require the ball to be spinning the first few seconds??
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Get computer counting the table rotations and ball rotations (per second) .. noting all the results - leave it running for 48 hours (or 72, or a week) - see if any formula comes up bearing in mind the variables I have (even if just to the closest 'third' or something)..

Long shot - more of a project than anything else .. but sounds technically feasible ..
 
888 does and so does skybet
there is no reason a fair wheel would ever show any pattern, however the live ones I've played online seem to almost always get pretty much stuck on black or red, maybe 3/20 spins = the other colour.
 
Abraham said:
888 does and so does skybet
there is no reason a fair wheel would ever show any pattern, however the live ones I've played online seem to almost always get pretty much stuck on black or red, maybe 3/20 spins = the other colour.
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I'm not saying it will show a pattern. I'm saying that I think if a computer knows the speed of the ball's rotation, the speed of the wheels rotation, and where the ball is when the 'green' is straight up - there is no reason why the computer could not make a good prediction where the ball will end up ..
 
britboy4321 said:
I'm not saying it will show a pattern. I'm saying that I think if a computer knows the speed of the ball's rotation, the speed of the wheels rotation, and where the ball is when the 'green' is straight up - there is no reason why the computer could not make a good prediction where the ball will end up ..
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...assuming the refresh rate on the webcam is good enough to accurately track the ball.
 
It has been done before in live casinos using a computer to calculate the speed of the wheel and speed of ball, it can then be calculated the area of the wheel the ball is most likely to fall
 
britboy4321 said:
I'm not saying it will show a pattern. I'm saying that I think if a computer knows the speed of the ball's rotation, the speed of the wheels rotation, and where the ball is when the 'green' is straight up - there is no reason why the computer could not make a good prediction where the ball will end up ..
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lol

its impossible, the variables change for every spin.

speed of ball is not a constant, neither is the speed of the wheels rotation, then factor in imperfections of the ball and the table and the wheel.
 
britboy4321 said:
Get computer counting the table rotations and ball rotations (per second) .. noting all the results - leave it running for 48 hours (or 72, or a week) - see if any formula comes up bearing in mind the variables I have (even if just to the closest 'third' or something)..

Long shot - more of a project than anything else .. but sounds technically feasible ..
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Good idea but the gambling commission requires that even with the actual initial algorithm and sufficient knowledge of previous spins the next number cannot be feasbly predicted and it has to produce a unbiased set of results. There actually quite strict on what can and can't be done in the programming and the implementation of what comes out on the roulette wheel, mechanical or electronic.

If anything your probably better off watching a person spin the ball for a set time and noting down any significant trends as lazy dealers can tend to use the same technique for spinning the wheel and ball. Of course by the time you gather a significant pool of data that dealer will probably be switched out.. Not to mention the fact that humans arent robotic and any kind of imperfect movement will throw off any prediction by a mile.

If it was possible to predict things like this it would have been done by now, try it and see what happens i'm sure itll keep you busy for a while!
 
Instead of just HERP DERPING like most are.

The hard bit to calcuate would be the momentum change as the ball slows (particually when only being able to place a bet in the first 2-3 seconds).

That would be very hard to calculate.. possibly by acquiring the weight of the ball and a method to calculate force on the ball as it leaves hand.

Even if that could tell you which 3/4 of the wheel it was going to land in.. it would not account for bounces etc which would nigh on eliminate the 4th quarter..

Thinkthinkthinkthink..
 
Psycho Sonny said:
lol

its impossible, the variables change for every spin.

speed of ball is not a constant, neither is the speed of the wheels rotation, then factor in imperfections of the ball and the table and the wheel.
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Technically it's not impossible, physics dosen't lie. But the information required is above and beyond what is available as you say you would need to know the imperfections of the ball and the wheel itself, friction of the track and deceleration of the spinning of the wheel, weight, velocity etc.. To get accurate measurements of all this youd need to measure it with some sensitive equipment and then it all changes by with a different ball or when the wheels get cleaned. Of course poking around a roulette wheel with measuring devices is going to get you thrown out pretty quickly too..

If you could get all the variables down and use some fancy measurement devices to calculate the distance the ball and wheel will travel it should be possible to calculate exactly where the ball will drop and at what speed it will hit certain parts of the wheel and its resultant bounce and where it finally lands..

Then after all that calculation and having it relayed to you.. Don't think you'll have much time to lay the bet down anyway!

Edit: As rotty links above ^^
 
What do you all think about using SOUND to predict where the ball will land? Possible?

I'd love to have a full blown roulette wheel and run 100s of tests. Recording the sound of the ball as it slows etc. Also, recording from the right angle will result in a louder noise when the ball comes closest to you. Meaning you're able to tell the speed of a rotation by looking at peaks of dbs.

Just an idea.
 
britboy4321 said:
I'm not saying it will show a pattern. I'm saying that I think if a computer knows the speed of the ball's rotation, the speed of the wheels rotation, and where the ball is when the 'green' is straight up - there is no reason why the computer could not make a good prediction where the ball will end up ..
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ah right, I misunderstood when you said you were looking for a formula, as said it has and can be done with an accurate enough image, down to 1/4's anyway
I think it's probably not high enough quality, but decide for yourself, this is the one from 888
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