Degree vs Experience

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So, my Degree is currently going down the pan. My university has made numerous changes to my course making it almost impossible to have the original choice of degree I originally wanted.

I will be leaving with some form of degree but it begs the question of if it was even worth it in the first place. What would you choose as an employer, a degree or someone with experience?

I'm lucky in the fact I've got a bit of both by working a lot during my degree to get links into companies that give good references.

Serious question, I'm more looking at the IT/Telecomms industry here
 
How do you get experience? By Working.
How do you get into work? A Degree.

I'm also at university and everyone says the same thing, "You need experience" well you only get that by actually working anyways. If you work during summer terms of your degree you'll be fine as long as it's degree related.
 
Degree to get past HR, after that no one gives a monkeys, if they do, don't work for them.

If you had a year out, that will count for a lot of experience when looking for the initial job, if you got time, and no real world exprience and little time to look for paid work, consider spending a summer perhaps working for free at some local company (obviously relavent to industry you want to work in). I did it between my first and second year, was good for my cv.
 
Degree to get past HR, after that no one gives a monkeys, if they do, don't work for them.

If you had a year out, that will count for a lot of experience when looking for the initial job, if you got time, and no real world exprience and little time to look for paid work, consider spending a summer perhaps working for free at some local company (obviously relavent to industry you want to work in). I did it between my first and second year, was good for my cv.

I've done exactly that, I've worked support and testing roles for the university and for the company I'm currently applying for. All part time and some volunteer work as well.

Where would everything think a degree would be more suited? From my general perception 95% of students can do a degree but haven't got a clue on how to adapt it to a job.
 
To be honest it wasn't until I was half way through my placement that I decided what to do for a career... so I wouldn't think that much of it. In the end of the day, it doesn't overly matter what your degree is called, you just need one to get through HR, who are not expected to have a clue anyway. And it will be up to the engineering boss to see how relavent your modules/experience is for the job.
 
Although educating the masses is generally a good thing, I really do feel the problems of en masse of people flooding into higher education. Most generally leaving without a clue and a rather empty bank account afterwards!

I've got pretty much everything crossed for an interview on monday, I've worked at the company before and am getting a reference within the company to top things off. It's literally a dream job for me if I get it!
 
Degree to get past HR, after that no one gives a monkeys, if they do, don't work for them.

If you had a year out, that will count for a lot of experience when looking for the initial job, if you got time, and no real world exprience and little time to look for paid work, consider spending a summer perhaps working for free at some local company (obviously relavent to industry you want to work in). I did it between my first and second year, was good for my cv.

Most jobs that take experience into account ask for 2 years experience not 1, otherwise you have to apply junior roles. It may help you get the junior role however.
 
Most jobs that take experience into account ask for 2 years experience not 1, otherwise you have to apply junior roles. It may help you get the junior role however.

I think most employers do not count placement as much for experience but rather for your ability to hold down a job for a considerable amount of time. Ie not get fired within first week.

And unpaid work shows that you are interested in a career/exploring the industry rather then making some quick money to fund your drinking/drugs/ect habbit over summer.

But yes, I did mean it for junior roles.
 
Depends on the job. The comments above are all valid, you can do well both with and without a degree and plenty of examples for both sides.

However, later in life on paper - two experienced people going for a certain management job. One has 12 years experience the other has 9 years experience and a degree. It may come to that period when the experience blends together and doesn't really matter in terms of years and the degree stands out as a differentiator.

Doesn't mean you have to get a degree right after school. I know a few people who only started aged 25-29 whilst working - just because you didn't do it when you were 18 doesn't mean you cant ever do it.
 
Degree to get past HR,



This. Whatever the team you will be working for wants, the bosses are going to demand that HR sift at degree level. No degree? CV goes in the bin. It may be short-sighted and it may be stupid, but it's a buyers market and that's what employers will do for the sort of jobs the OP is talking about. Take the degree. For one thing, it's a once-only offer for most people.


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Both and I think we're going to see an increasing number of people taking internships in the UK to get experience during their degrees. I did and it certainly helped me in my final year and getting a grad job after uni.
 
My degree hasn't even got me a proper refusal letter in the IT industry in all my years of having it. Further to that I haven't seen many IT based jobs recently that aren't looking for at least 2 years commercial experience.
 
So, my Degree is currently going down the pan. My university has made numerous changes to my course making it almost impossible to have the original choice of degree I originally wanted.

I will be leaving with some form of degree but it begs the question of if it was even worth it in the first place. What would you choose as an employer, a degree or someone with experience?

I'm lucky in the fact I've got a bit of both by working a lot during my degree to get links into companies that give good references.

Serious question, I'm more looking at the IT/Telecomms industry here

A degree is hugely important.

Unless you get really lucky and even then you will still need to excel, work very hard etc, it is much more difficult to succeed in a professional work environment without a degree. It is also more likely to take longer. It was easy enough (although not at the moment due to the current economy) to get regular job like Tesco, Sainsbury, KFC, Local Authority admin assistants (although even some of these have degrees).

Unless you design something or have epic skills which very few other have, it is hard to establish yourself independently from the competition. And the job / work market place is tough at the moment.

If you want to get to management or earn a decent salary without getting very lucky i.e. business or idea which makes you lots of money (for the few new start up entrepreneurs that succeed lots fail) then you need a degree to get started. Even then you need a degree + experience.

•With or without a degree, it takes the right attitude, self motivation, aptitude and drive to be successful in work. Depends if you want to rise to the top or simply follow instructions and get comfortable in a subordinate technical / operational role, be it making burgers to designing buildings.

•So many have degrees these days you often need one to get a foot in the door / interview including for more basic entry jobs which historically would have been an apprenticeship or some sort of vocational based training.

•So many have worthless degrees, which offer no or very limited direct employment prospects and having done one they still have no life skills, very little ambition or motivation, but they do still have a degree which is more than someone without.

•Some have good degrees in a field that is in demand but still won’t necessarily succeed over their piers although they will earn a reasonable wage and remain employable. Depends on your own career motivation and drive.

•How will it look to an employer if you are trying to go for a job, selling how good you are, hard working etc but you tanked out of a degree, it will not reflect well???? Falling at the hurdle before the first hurdle.

•If you want to go for Chartership to a professional institution, you will need a degree or to have passed their exempting certificates / degree. Without these you may need 10-15 years experience + portfolio + interviews etc. Doesn’t seem like much but in some industries, to be the manager, director, earn decent money you need to be recognised professionally. The professional institutions seek to protect their emembers and the value of what they offer e.g. Chartered Engineers.

•You can work your way up in IT / telecoms but you could be in a basic support role for a long time without a degree and what if you don’t have the right personal skills to rise above this level. Without a degree, you could have limited scope to go further.

The drive to succeed and your personality is ultimately more important than a degree as this will keep you going. You may find taking a break from uni, getting some work experience will bring this out and you will then have an option to go back and do a degree. Just remember as you get older, have a family etc the time available and energy to do this becomes more limited.
 
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A degree is hugely important.



If you want to get to management or earn a decent salary without getting very lucky i.e. business or idea which makes you lots of money (for the few new start up entrepreneurs that succeed lots fail) then you need a degree to get started. Even then you need a degree + experience.

I beg to differ, I am about as high in management as you can likely expect to be in the time I have been in my industry.

I have no degree.

The need for a degree depends entirely on the Job and even in things like Chartered Accountancy, Engineering and IT a degree may not be necessary if you have relevant experience or have an apprenticeship.
 
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I beg to differ, I am about as high in management as you can likely expect to be in the time I have been in my industry.

I have no degree.

The need for a degree depends entirely on the Job and even in things like Chartered Accountancy, Engineering and IT a degree may not be necessary if you have relevant experience or have an apprenticeship.

What do you do? you wont have got there without hard work enough experienceand something to set you apart from the others. Not as easy there days either where so many have degrees including those that traditionaly wouldnt.
 
An old manager of mine once said that the degree gets you in at the ground floor and the experience gets you up the ladder. I think this is probably generally, but not always, true.
 
What do you do? you wont have got there without hard work enough experienceand something to set you apart from the others. Not as easy there days either where so many have degrees including those that traditionaly wouldnt.

I'm an Operations Director for a public transport company. I have been in the industry for almost 7 years. I was a soldier for the preceding 18.

The point is that with or without a degree you need to be experienced and have something that justifies your position, merely having a degree guarantees nothing. In fact more and more industries are beginning to shy away from graduates and are thinking about investing in their own training and apprenticeships schemes. Probably because, as you point out, every Tom, Dick and Harry has a degree so how do you select?
 
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Depends on the type of work. Me its all skills based so experience is the only way. But someone like a doctor needs a lot of written based knowledge to start off.
 
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