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Who said it was?
38% of Americans believe tsunami was sent by God
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Who said it was?
A lot of scientists, eg Einstein.
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What, so now you have proof there is no God?
About 70% of people in that poll believed in some form of God, so that given that the Old Testament God was known to have destroyed stuff, then it's not surprising that a minority of respondants atrtibute such events to a God.
For them you have to put this in context of the will of God, not whether this is a nice thing or not.
Didn't you post a thread about big foot recently?
She was a blatant troll from the start... I can't believe how easily people fall for things.
What, so now you have proof there is no God?
You can't, in the same way you can't prove the Loch Ness monster or bigfoot doesn't exist, you have to rely on the lack of evidence that they do.
It's hardly fictional though, Jesus existed and we have evidence for some of the events in the bible. Essentially they are basing their belief on that Jesus really was who he said he was. I don't see the point in endless smug threads mocking such a position.
Jesus was a man... him being alive doesn't mean the christian god existed.
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So? Go to South America and you'll find ten thousand people called 'Jesus', doesn't make them the son of god or a miracle worker though.
Did he, as far as I know we have no direct evidence.
Like I said, they are basing their belief on what he said, not on the URL for God's Facebook.
@Raikiri, Nobody wrote books about anyone else called Jesus, so not sure what your point was?
@acidhell , go look it up, plenty of people investigating this
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Missing the point being made though.
He said he was the son of God and people believed him, they still believe him to this day.
The bottom line is that no-one really knows, God could or could not exist, we have no way of testing the hypothesis and some people accept certain evidence as proof other do not.
The real issue is with the pompous nature of both some Atheists and Theists when mocking the beliefs of the other.
If you believe then fine, if you do not then fine. Just accept that whatever your belief, based on the evidence you accept may not be the same for someone else.
Simply calling people names is pointless and infantile.
My point was the fact a man called Jesus existed is completely irrelevant, it proves nothing.
Anybody at any point could base a completely fictional tale on a real person.
I have and there is no direct evidence.
The only supporting evidence we have is written by other people and after the dates involved. As far as I know and can find there is no direct evidence.
There are many references from Scholars and Antiquarian Historians like Josephus and Tacitus who both wrote about Jesus as a person who existed. As they were both born very close to the Time of Christ it is unlikely that they were caught up in some Christian conspiracy to invent such a person.
It makes no difference if people believed him or not... it's certainly not evidence for a god and can't be used as such.
That's not what I call direct evidence. It's not even written at the time. Not that I would expect such evidence from that period of history.
What I would be wanting is some sort of Roman literature. Like charges or census or something along those lines. Something written at the time by the state, scholoar or other such person.
Problem with that is that the Tale is not singular, neither is the concept of God limited to a single culture or society.
There have been no truly atheist societies in antiquity, all have some form of Godhead or Belief structure. Christianity is just one of them, in all likelihood all religions are based on a singular belief held by the original humans in the African basin before the Human Diaspora.
I suspect that records of that sort don't survive as none have. Many though Pontious Pilate was mythical until they found the Pilate Stone.
I would expect that both Josephus and Tacitus who were under authority of Rome to write their respective annals knew who Jesus was and considered him as real as themselves.
Christ was not a very important person when he was alive, he was not a Roman Emperor or Warrior, there would be no reason to write anything substantial, if at all about him at the time.
I totally agree as i said I wouldn't expect such records to survive and I wouldn't expect such records to exist in the first place.
But you can't really say there is decent historical records/proof for his existence taken from scripture and other sources, written after the events.
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Neither we contemporaries, so relying on at least second hand information. Considering the time they lived in, they likely heard it orally, rather than read about it, and stories rarely survive without alteration when passed in verbally, especially when claims of divinity are involved. In each case only minor mentions are made, which is odd considering that when Jesus died supposedly zombies got up out of their graves and went into town and were supposedly seen by many people. Seeing the dead rise would deserve more than a tiny mention decades later, wouldn't it? Even in the time before major new outlets word would get around of zombies.
There is no contemporary ex-biblical evidence for Jesus. Then consider the bible, Since no amount of anonymous textual claims of supernatural powers are sufficient to believe them what are you left with when you disregard them in relation to Jesus? When you remove from consideration all bible stories relating to claims of supernatural powers you end up with someone who was just a vaguely vocal rabbi.
Then you can draw analogies to Socraties. He may not have existed and his wisdom and teachings just the lumping together of other people's ideas. Or perhaps there was someone upon which the historical person is based and over time other people's ideas have been credited to him (success breeds success, a phenomenon seen in the academic community).
I don't think many scientists think that any more.
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