March in London on the 26th?
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Shock as people given non-jobs by Labour get angry when the money runs out and cry to their unions.
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Almost as funny as Red Ed comparing the marches to the Apartheid struggle...
Indeed.
The general election vs a handful (in country-wide terms) of moaning people partaking in violent protests
Hmmmm.
Like I said, nothing is going to come of this.
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I cant believe he said that! I struggled to take him seriousley anyway and now.. pfft!
ironically a couple of hundred out of 200,000 is a larger percentage of the group than the 200,000 is of the country's population.
So if we're to ignore the trouble makers because their a minority of the group we must ignore the protesters as they're a minority of the population.
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+ £931,000,000 or whatever the official nation debt figure actually is....
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I was trying to explain this to a friend earlier... nearly resorted to sock puppet
I saw on a few BBC reports that a newspaper poll had also found that only 13% of the population didn't support cuts. So even though this was a huge turnout, it's still a needle in a haystack compared to what most of the country think.
Milliband was an embarrassment, I think with most of the focus being on the trouble, that has been ignored so far. I'm sure he will get ribbed by the opposition in the Commons come Monday though.
The other thing that ribs me is all the people harping on about cuts and 'march for the alternative' but I've not see ANYONE today who actually has an alternative.... It's certainly not Labour, as they are hypocrites because we are partly in a mess because of them and they would have had to do the same if still in power.
Milliband was an embarrassment, I think with most of the focus being on the trouble, that has been ignored so far. I'm sure he will get ribbed by the opposition in the Commons come Monday though.
The other thing that ribs me is all the people harping on about cuts and 'march for the alternative' but I've not see ANYONE today who actually has an alternative.... It's certainly not Labour, as they are hypocrites because we are partly in a mess because of them and they would have had to do the same if still in power.
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Always good to see the Labour movement organise a good riot, errrr... demomstration to complain about the financial mess they (which includes the TUC, an integral part of "labour") got us into in the first place.
Lots of surprised looking unionists trying to distance themselves from riots they knew full well were going to happen and yet did nothing to prevent.
"Gabillions in debt, oooh, nothing to do with us. Riots and violence at our march, oooh, nothing to do with us. Take responsibility for anything, oooh nothing to do with u... oh...hang on a minute".
On the bright side the TUC have just done a fabulous job at killing any sympathy the country may have had for the unions in general and militant public sector workers in particular. Of course they were never worried about the rest of the country in return, there's a bunch of people in untenable jobs earning salaries and pensions that just have no resemblance to what the country can afford who thought a nice walk in the sun on a Saturday would solve all the problems and the nasty prime minister (who along with the banks fault this all is) would do a u-turn on Monday and guarantee their jobs whilst the rest of the country went to hell in a hand basket. Or at least that’s what Union reps up and down the country have been spinning for weeks to union members.
Ok, that's a bit of a characture of the situation but you get the gist.
You can't help but have sympathy for people who's jobs may be threatened, and untenable job or not you can't blame someone for wanting to hang onto it, but as someone else has said - there is no magic money tree at the end of the garden at No11. It's Labour movement policy that got us to this point so you'll excuse the rest of us if we view their "alternative solutions" with a little scepticism.
The shame of it is that there are genuine, valuable public sector (and other) workers that do a good job, for a fair wage and the country couldn't do without them, It's only right in a fair and civilised society we fund a healthy public sector. Unfortunately the last 10 years of government and Union work has bloated that with jobs that don't need to be there funded by money that definitely isn't there. Far too much time is spent by the unions on playing political games and at a local level trying to keep people known in house as "On the job: Retired" as they cruise to a pension rearranging pencils on a desk in a job.
Working practices like "I have 20 days sick leave I take every year, on top on holiday allowance whether I'm ill or not" along with intimidation of people that don't go sick often enough "because you make the rest of us look bad and cut our opportunities for over time" is appalling and wide spread. The idea of yearly performance reviews and commitments is completely alien to a huge swath of the public sector, where, unlike pretty much any other job in the world, all you have to do to have a job for life and a fat pension at the end is "keep your head down".
The TUC could do the country a favour and start being realistic , then they might have some credability. As it stands it's the old Union argument.
"Management" Sorry folks - The company is making a loss so we'll have to make some redundancies"
"Union" You can't do that or we'll strike
"Management" Ok, the company is on the verge of bankrupcy, we HAVE to make MORE redundancies now.
"Union" Ok, everybody out - we're on strike.
"Management" Ok, the company has gone bankrupt and we need to make EVERYONE redundant now - well done you.
"Union" Oh.. Bugger... you ****** bad people, how could you do this to helpless workers.
*sigh*
Lots of surprised looking unionists trying to distance themselves from riots they knew full well were going to happen and yet did nothing to prevent.
"Gabillions in debt, oooh, nothing to do with us. Riots and violence at our march, oooh, nothing to do with us. Take responsibility for anything, oooh nothing to do with u... oh...hang on a minute".
On the bright side the TUC have just done a fabulous job at killing any sympathy the country may have had for the unions in general and militant public sector workers in particular. Of course they were never worried about the rest of the country in return, there's a bunch of people in untenable jobs earning salaries and pensions that just have no resemblance to what the country can afford who thought a nice walk in the sun on a Saturday would solve all the problems and the nasty prime minister (who along with the banks fault this all is) would do a u-turn on Monday and guarantee their jobs whilst the rest of the country went to hell in a hand basket. Or at least that’s what Union reps up and down the country have been spinning for weeks to union members.
Ok, that's a bit of a characture of the situation but you get the gist.
You can't help but have sympathy for people who's jobs may be threatened, and untenable job or not you can't blame someone for wanting to hang onto it, but as someone else has said - there is no magic money tree at the end of the garden at No11. It's Labour movement policy that got us to this point so you'll excuse the rest of us if we view their "alternative solutions" with a little scepticism.
The shame of it is that there are genuine, valuable public sector (and other) workers that do a good job, for a fair wage and the country couldn't do without them, It's only right in a fair and civilised society we fund a healthy public sector. Unfortunately the last 10 years of government and Union work has bloated that with jobs that don't need to be there funded by money that definitely isn't there. Far too much time is spent by the unions on playing political games and at a local level trying to keep people known in house as "On the job: Retired" as they cruise to a pension rearranging pencils on a desk in a job.
Working practices like "I have 20 days sick leave I take every year, on top on holiday allowance whether I'm ill or not" along with intimidation of people that don't go sick often enough "because you make the rest of us look bad and cut our opportunities for over time" is appalling and wide spread. The idea of yearly performance reviews and commitments is completely alien to a huge swath of the public sector, where, unlike pretty much any other job in the world, all you have to do to have a job for life and a fat pension at the end is "keep your head down".
The TUC could do the country a favour and start being realistic , then they might have some credability. As it stands it's the old Union argument.
"Management" Sorry folks - The company is making a loss so we'll have to make some redundancies"
"Union" You can't do that or we'll strike
"Management" Ok, the company is on the verge of bankrupcy, we HAVE to make MORE redundancies now.
"Union" Ok, everybody out - we're on strike.
"Management" Ok, the company has gone bankrupt and we need to make EVERYONE redundant now - well done you.
"Union" Oh.. Bugger... you ****** bad people, how could you do this to helpless workers.
*sigh*
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Just saw this on Twitter
@TWUncut
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For £25 a pop i'll try catching themI'll throw bricks at £25 a pop......
I'll throw bricks at £25 a pop......
There were lots of people happy to do it for free.
For £25 a pop i'll try catching them
Lol.