Soldato
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Anarchists take any oppoptunity to create disruption. The rest was your usual attempt to denigrate the union movement at any opportunity.
March in London on the 26th?
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Anarchists take any oppoptunity to create disruption. The rest was your usual attempt to denigrate the union movement at any opportunity.
By how much? Well, the deficit needs to be entirely eliminated so that our debt and hence our interest payments don't keep rising. We can agree on that for a start, yes?
As a self employed political atheist, the one thing that I note that is usually lacking in these debates is reality!
No matter which side of the political fence you view the current financial problems, the fact is that sucessive British governments for decades, have been wooing the electorate with promises of goodies to win voting favour, all paid for through borrowing...from BANKS and investors!
The only way this country is ever going to raise basic standards is if government spending is substantially reduced to a realistic level whereby the country actually lives within it's means to pay for what it spends! Unfortunately this will involve much cutting back on things the country simply can't afford, which sadly will include public sector jobs and services...if not, then our grandchildren are going to still be paying the price of our obsession with gross overspending on a buy now pay later policy which will eventually have it's day of reckoning!
All this talk of hammering the banks, the wealthy and large businesses, is crass stupidity - they are the very people we need to encourage to stay within the confines of the UK and not tax them into leaving...as without their investment, there simply won't be any jobs to lose or be cut!
It's all very fine for Luddites like the unions, with their highly paid union Mandarin bosses stirring up trouble but the fact is that they don't contribute anything but problems for an already struggling economy and the overburdened working taxpayer. They too ignore reality!
Everyone is aware that the country is virtually bankrupt but no one wants to face reality and accept that cuts are inevitable. If this country was a business, it would have been wound up decades ago because of it's uncontrolled spending!
The whole concept of politics and government spending in this country needs a complete review and overhaul if this country is ever to get out this continuing cycle of over-spending and recession.
People are simply going to have to accept that there will be less public sector jobs and services and they will have to accept more responsibility for their own lives and not expect the sate to take care of their every whim from the cradle to the grave!
No matter which side of the political fence you view the current financial problems, the fact is that sucessive British governments for decades, have been wooing the electorate with promises of goodies to win voting favour, all paid for through borrowing...from BANKS and investors!
The only way this country is ever going to raise basic standards is if government spending is substantially reduced to a realistic level whereby the country actually lives within it's means to pay for what it spends! Unfortunately this will involve much cutting back on things the country simply can't afford, which sadly will include public sector jobs and services...if not, then our grandchildren are going to still be paying the price of our obsession with gross overspending on a buy now pay later policy which will eventually have it's day of reckoning!
All this talk of hammering the banks, the wealthy and large businesses, is crass stupidity - they are the very people we need to encourage to stay within the confines of the UK and not tax them into leaving...as without their investment, there simply won't be any jobs to lose or be cut!
It's all very fine for Luddites like the unions, with their highly paid union Mandarin bosses stirring up trouble but the fact is that they don't contribute anything but problems for an already struggling economy and the overburdened working taxpayer. They too ignore reality!
Everyone is aware that the country is virtually bankrupt but no one wants to face reality and accept that cuts are inevitable. If this country was a business, it would have been wound up decades ago because of it's uncontrolled spending!
The whole concept of politics and government spending in this country needs a complete review and overhaul if this country is ever to get out this continuing cycle of over-spending and recession.
People are simply going to have to accept that there will be less public sector jobs and services and they will have to accept more responsibility for their own lives and not expect the sate to take care of their every whim from the cradle to the grave!
I assume you mean deficit, not debt.
It's amazing how incredibly misled some of you "anti cut" folk have ended up.
Such short sighted and misguided selfish opinions.
Had to laugh at the mentioning of Trident too, lets remove our cheap Nuclear deterrent at a time of global uncertainty when not a single one of us can predict what will be going on in 10 or 20 years. Trident is not something you can stop for a few years then start up again when you need it, we can't "get the old weapons out" the moment serious threats arise, these things take time and should not be shut down.
As has already been said, compared to the insane overspending courtesy of Labour, Trident is nothing.
I also find it deplorable that some local authorities have taken it upon themselves to cut front line services in order to drum up support against the government and the extremely necessary cuts.
If you lefties just came out and said "the debt is bad, but I'd rather we buried our heads in the sand for another 30+ years so that I don't suffer personally, let the next generation deal with it", I'd respect your opinions more than your clueless opinions such as pretty much everything MrMoonX said.
Such short sighted and misguided selfish opinions.
Had to laugh at the mentioning of Trident too, lets remove our cheap Nuclear deterrent at a time of global uncertainty when not a single one of us can predict what will be going on in 10 or 20 years. Trident is not something you can stop for a few years then start up again when you need it, we can't "get the old weapons out" the moment serious threats arise, these things take time and should not be shut down.
As has already been said, compared to the insane overspending courtesy of Labour, Trident is nothing.
I also find it deplorable that some local authorities have taken it upon themselves to cut front line services in order to drum up support against the government and the extremely necessary cuts.
If you lefties just came out and said "the debt is bad, but I'd rather we buried our heads in the sand for another 30+ years so that I don't suffer personally, let the next generation deal with it", I'd respect your opinions more than your clueless opinions such as pretty much everything MrMoonX said.
Well said. Trident is good money well spent.
Hear hear. Shameful
Just shows how Labour don't give a toss about people, but just about scoring political points so they can get back into power. Because money and power is all they care about, they don't care about you or me one iota. Indeed. Just admit that you want to spend the money today of people who haven't even been born yet, and then it will at least be honest.
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Is it? Nobody but a fool would use a nuke because it increases the background radiation which leads to more cancers etc etc etc. So you are killing off the people you say you are protecting by having one and using it.
It is nothing more than a status symbol.
At a time when money is tight you waste huge sums on a system that nobady in their right mind would use.
As far as the world being unstable at present the US/UK have done most to make it that way.
If you don't want instability don't go starting wars, supporting dictators etc etc.
You don't know what the future holds.
We have a loud voice in world politics, part of that is because of our nuclear arsenal.
UK/US are not making the world unstable, lunatics in other countries are doing that. Unless you think we all wanted the terrorism we've endured?
Having the nukes stops anyone really screwing with us. They are the ultimate equaliser and only the most unstable "we will live forever" religious nutjobs would dare do anything on a mass scale to a nuclear power. The only reason anyone has done anything to us at all is because they don't fear retaliation as they think they will die and their god will shower them in an eternity of nubile virgins and anything else they desire.
You can't just stop being a nuclear power.
Imagine how many issues we'd have if we gave them up now?
Again it's short term thinking, just like those who want us to keep the debt and keep the unnecessarily large public sector. You want to trade the future for the present.
Nuclear weapons and WMD's are effectively, deterents - they don't have to be used to be effective!
Countries that don't have WMD's risk being attacked and destroyed by more powerful countries... Sadam didn't have WMD's and look what happened to him!
Two words: nuclear deterrent. Working perfectly for 60+ years...
I really hate that phrase.
Nuclear Deterrent. While I understand it, and I understand the concept of having Nuclear weapons.
I can't help but take the hippie view, You know, I'm a child of the earth, why should we be so obsessed with killing each other and defending ourselves? We should surely be working towards a common goal, helping improve the lives of everyone on Earth and maintaining the balance we have.
I understand there is a lot involved in this, but it's just sad that we can't do this.
Nuclear Deterrent. While I understand it, and I understand the concept of having Nuclear weapons.
I can't help but take the hippie view, You know, I'm a child of the earth, why should we be so obsessed with killing each other and defending ourselves? We should surely be working towards a common goal, helping improve the lives of everyone on Earth and maintaining the balance we have.
I understand there is a lot involved in this, but it's just sad that we can't do this.
Hear hear. Shameful
Indeed. Just admit that you want to spend the money today of people who haven't even been born yet, and then it will at least be honest.
Manchester City Council have approximately £100 million in the bank, yet they need to cut?
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Correct. And more people voted for them knowing that then any other party.
You disagree? Well good for you, that's democracy.
Why don't Australia buy it then?
It's quite simple, there is no justifiable reason for the UK to buy a Trident replacement now, and plenty of reasons why we shouldn't.
There are plenty of people who are sucessful and who started life in the way you describe!
Class is such an ugly word these days and mostly used by those who have little or no ambition in life and use the word as an excuse for their failings!
Even if a family is poor, it doesn't excuse them from bringing up their children to want to break out of the poverty background their parents may have endured!
There is also the myth that all parents who put their kids through private education are loaded...on the contrary, many do without such things as holidays and many other luxuries just so that they can scrape enough together to give their kids a better life!
You don't have to be rich to give your kids a good start..it's all out there for them...it just requires parents who want to see their kids get on in life!
Trident represents a tiny percentage of our budget deficit anyway so in the grand scheme of things it doesn't make much difference.
Because the exchange rate is all in your favour and the MOD doesn't offer free delivery.
Australia has a long history of opposition to nuclear power in any form. Even our most conservative governments have not been prepared to defy the public sentiment on this issue. This is a matter of ideology and realpolitik. It does not reflect upon the military effectiveness of Trident.
In any case, now that the Yanks have a couple of military bases over here, we might as well let them do all the legwork.
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Was in London this weekend and shopping on regent st right when the so called "black bloc" broke off from the main parade with the giant horse. When I get chance I'll upload a few photos and videos of all the idiots causing trouble.
In my opinion I think the police did a great job despite the strategies from the top being questionable. Talking to some of them it sounded like a tiring long day for them all.
Question: is gas not allowed in crowd control anymore. If it were down to me that would have been my choice. Gas the lot and watch em drop.
In my opinion I think the police did a great job despite the strategies from the top being questionable. Talking to some of them it sounded like a tiring long day for them all.
Question: is gas not allowed in crowd control anymore. If it were down to me that would have been my choice. Gas the lot and watch em drop.