Lift off oversteer

[TW]Fox · 29 Mar 2011 at 10:39

NathanE said:
A 911 is probably one of the safest RWD cars money can buy?

It is?

Prophet · 29 Mar 2011 at 10:43

Anyone remember the video of a Saxo or similar type car (think it overseas somewhere) speeding down a cliff face road and getting an awesome dose of LOOS.

Can't find the video anywhere but it's a great example of how epic it can be.

Firestar_3x · 29 Mar 2011 at 10:45

NathanE said:
A 911 is probably one of the safest RWD cars money can buy? People drive them all year round, icy winters included.

Major confusion :confused:

MikeHiow · 29 Mar 2011 at 10:48

911s work well in ice/snow because they keep good traction with all that weight over the rear wheels.

By the same token though, all of that weight can easily catch you out.

Firestar_3x · 29 Mar 2011 at 10:50

MikeHiow said:
911s work well in ice/snow because they keep good traction with all that weight over the rear wheels.

Is this fact or best guess?

Nomisf · 29 Mar 2011 at 10:51

My first car was a 306 with 4 unmatched ditchfinders, suffice to say two things - I learnt very quickly about the different kinds of "steer" - and also that good tyres were worth every penny. In Hindsight I don't know how I never had a backwards lovemaking session with a hedge

I am not sure about this "panic declutching" all it seems to do to my GTI-6 is really upset the grip/weight - if you really have entered a corner far too fast in a FWD car, personally i would rather be taming a little LOOS to get around the corner, rather that under steering into a tree.

NathanE · 29 Mar 2011 at 10:53

Firestar_3x said:
Is this fact or best guess?

I think it's more to do with the electronics always keeping the car straight

Lowe · 29 Mar 2011 at 10:53

Orange Peel said:
Anyone remember the video of a Saxo or similar type car (think it overseas somewhere) speeding down a cliff face road and getting an awesome dose of LOOS.

Can't find the video anywhere but it's a great example of how epic it can be.

You mean the one Lopez posted near the start?

Berger · 29 Mar 2011 at 10:56

I think the reputation they have is due to poor tyres, silly lowering and boy racers.

If you go nuts lowering it then I guess it will have loads of grip to the point that it spits you sideways/backwards through a tree on fire!

My Xsara VTS was slightly lowered at the rear and it had tons of grip, but lost some of the feel through the steering compared to both my GTI-6 and my Rallye. I never felt as confident pushing it like I did/do with the other two cars.

Firestar_3x · 29 Mar 2011 at 10:59

NathanE said:
I think it's more to do with the electronics always keeping the car straight

Personally I would hate to drive a C2 911 in the Snow, granted having weight over the driven wheels is all good and fine however the frontend is light, couple this with wide cross-section rear tyres and in anything but the lightest of snow you are going to have serious issues controlling the nose of the car into tight / very snowy corners at anything other than a very slow speed, then we have the issue of the tail running away due to the weight of the engine should the worst happen.

Mixed opinions all over the place, but several owners have posted on this forum before saying how poor the 911 was the previous few winters.

If i had to have a RWD in the snow, when on the move i'd prefer something without and LSD with skinny tyres, limits the potential to stick me through a hedge backwards.

Prophet · 29 Mar 2011 at 11:04

Lowe said:
You mean the one Lopez posted near the start?

Probably. I'll go and have a look :cool:

edit: Yeah that's the one!

Nomisf · 29 Mar 2011 at 11:06

Berger said:
I think the reputation they have is due to poor tyres, silly lowering and boy racers.

If you go nuts lowering it then I guess it will have loads of grip to the point that it spits you sideways/backwards through a tree on fire!

My Xsara VTS was slightly lowered at the rear and it had tons of grip, but lost some of the feel through the steering compared to both my GTI-6 and my Rallye. I never felt as confident pushing it like I did/do with the other two cars.

I'm finding this at the moment, I bought the car -40mm and I can't wait to get it back to stock, the lowering amplifies all the worst characteristics of the drive, and numbs the better ones. That and its a pig in the wet...

MikeHiow · 29 Mar 2011 at 11:27

Firestar_3x said:
Personally I would hate to drive a C2 911 in the Snow, granted having weight over the driven wheels is all good and fine however the frontend is light, couple this with wide cross-section rear tyres and in anything but the lightest of snow you are going to have serious issues controlling the nose of the car into tight / very snowy corners at anything other than a very slow speed, then we have the issue of the tail running away due to the weight of the engine should the worst happen.

Mixed opinions all over the place, but several owners have posted on this forum before saying how poor the 911 was the previous few winters.

If i had to have a RWD in the snow, when on the move i'd prefer something without and LSD with skinny tyres, limits the potential to stick me through a hedge backwards.

Pros steer with their right foot, y0

Firestar_3x · 29 Mar 2011 at 11:51

MikeHiow said:
Pros steer with their right foot, y0

Only if i wanted to go through the pearly gates backwards, whilst on fire