Woes with rent - I seek your opinions

Judgeneo

Judgeneo

Judgeneo

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Ok heres the situation.

The final lot of rent for out contract is due soon, and there has been some cuffufle from one housemate in particular about paying it.

In the house there are:
Me - Pays rent
K - Pays rent, but can only just afford it
S - Pays rent
M - Pays rent
E - Girlfriend to M. Moved in in Jan as the house she pays rent for is mouldy and disgusting, not really habitable. Doesn't pay rent, as agreed when she moved in.
J - Girlfriend to S. Pays rent, but has decided that she will not being paying the next instalment.

J and M have had two big arguments, both of them provoked/caused by J. The first resulting in J's mum ( Lets call her D ) coming around and having a go a M for a good 15 minutes before her dad took her away. The second was over the phone, this time D took the phone of J and started having a go at M again, M then lost his temper and started shouting back. M then left the house, and in his absence J and D came around the house looking for him.

J has now decided that it wasn't on that M had a go at her family and she won't be paying the next lot of rent. We've just had a house discussion about it (minus M as he is at his parents) and here are her reasons:
She wants to save up for her place next year (just her and S, so higher rent)
Shes going on 3 holidays this year and has to pay for them
she wants to 'punish' M, she said to us that if she could lay the financial burden just upon him then she would.

Other things to consider:
K moved back up from her grandparents to live here, as this is where all her friends and boyfriend lives (used to live in foster care) and put all of her savings into moving back up here. If J moves out, shes not sure if she can afford the increased rent ( speaking to the landlord tomorrow about it, hes always been very reasonable in the past). I'm good friends with her boyfriend, and even though they're not really on speaking terms at the moment I've just heard from him that she has phoned him up crying about the whole situation.

Also E is a very good housemate, friendly with everyone and does all the cleaning and washing up.


So opinions people, the more the better
 
J is definitely a douche bag. If you have to get your parents involved in your own disputes about rent from living on your own/with friends then you're clearly not mature enough to move out yet.

Search for two new housemates/a new couple to move in in place of J and S. S will inevitably move out if J is forced to.

Also S should man up and tell J that it's not on, she should pay her rent still if she's been doing it all along. It's not now fair to place that burden on everyone else.
 
Gackt said:
Sounds like J is a bit of a joke. Get rid of her. Probably will lose S, but meh.
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I agree, "J" sounds like an attention seeking princess. Get shot of her ASAP. If the boyfriend wants to follow suit and pay double or triple the rent to live with her... then let him, if not then he can stay put and his girlfriend can move out and live with her mother, who clearly likes to get involved.

Conclusion: "J" is 100% the issue... I'm sure it wont be the last problem if you keep her around, have a group discussion and get her out.
 
Ahhh, music to my ears.


She said she is moving out, which is all very well of good. Apart from her idea of moving out is staying with S 4 nights a week, and going home on the weekend.
God knows why considering her parents are closer to her workplace than we are.

The other problem is that we are all out of pocket, with K and M being the worse of as their financials are tight enough as they are. As I mentioned in the OP, K might not be able to afford it.

J has offered to continue paying the energy and internet bills that she currently does. However this amounts to a pittance compared to the amount the rent will go up with her departure
 
int said:
I need to B my L on someone's T's.
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You and me both.

J sounds like a selfish manipulative princess. She's basically seen that E doesn't pay and has decided she doesn't have to either. 4 nights a week - in my opinion - is not moving out. That's her trying to take the P.

There's over six of you to a house and five of which are paying rent with a couple struggling? How much are you paying each?

Personally, I'd get rid of J and try and find a new housemate ASAP. Ideally, E but I'm assuming she's stuck paying for her own rent for some time yet?

As Moses said earlier: why can't she dispute it and move out if it's that bad?
 
J needs to be gone the trouble making drama queen she is. Get her gone. Moving out and staying with S 4 nights a week is not on at all without paying rent. The little princess needs a wakeup call.

M has taken enough abuse from J and her mummy and when he finally snaps the tard J wants him gone :S

Show J the drama queen this thread and tell her to take her drama queen ass and beat it.
 
the contract for next year is signed, I'm moving in with different people but E, M and K are on it.

I think I'll definitely start looking for a new housemate to replace J.
Also I've just found out that E has just offered to pay the difference in K's rent
 
Judgeneo said:
the contract for next year is signed, I'm moving in with different people but E, M and K are on it.

I think I'll definitely start looking for a new housemate to replace J.
Also I've just found out that E has just offered to pay the difference in K's rent
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This.

I was going to suggest, as much as it isnt your burden technically, of everyone wants K to stay, couldnt everyone chip in a little to help pay the increase in hers? I say this, as we had to do this once, well ok didnt have to, but we wanted to, as we would have rather had that person in the house, so when times were tough for them, we spread the hit between us to help out.

Silly question, but does J have her own room, or just stays in her boyfriends? As if she stays in her boyfriends, to be honest, she could easily just 'move out' and then stay over every night. Although if they are staying in the same room, im not sure why she would pay rent in the first place, as long as the house were fine with her moving in in the first place, after that it would have been upto J and her Mr to decide how they split the rent on the room, as technically, they now share it. As long as she bviously contributes her split on bills.
 
It does depend how you look at things. Personally in shared accomodation I always go along the lines that rent is Per Room and not per individual. Thus if a partner moves in rent doesnt go up and the room price can be split between the couple.

Bills however are to be split equally between all parties. This is just my view though.
 
Gixer said:
It does depend how you look at things. Personally in shared accomodation I always go along the lines that rent is Per Room and not per individual. Thus if a partner moves in rent doesnt go up and the room price can be split between the couple.

Bills however are to be split equally between all parties. This is just my view though.
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That is how I would ideally sort out the rent, most landlords I met last year are not that into it though. I would go a bit mathy and put a price on each private room (bedroom) based on area and assume that communal areas are split evenly.

The land lord should not be getting an extra amount per person as the size of the property, which is the deciding factor really, won't have changed.
 
Gixer said:
It does depend how you look at things. Personally in shared accomodation I always go along the lines that rent is Per Room and not per individual. Thus if a partner moves in rent doesnt go up and the room price can be split between the couple.

Bills however are to be split equally between all parties. This is just my view though.
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I'd differ on that one personally. Having shared a student house when not a student (Myself and a mate were in there first, it was 6 bedrooms and the landlord was originally trying to just put professional people in it). Sharing with 5 other people was fine, when all of a sudden 3 of them moved in their boyfriends/girlfriends things started to get stupid, all of a sudden you are sharing the facilities (Kitchen, Bathrooms, shared living areas) and utilities with 9 people (if everyone moves their other half in, that's 12 people!!) and that's when the arguments start.

The people living there should be those on the contract agreed with the landlord, everyone else should have their own living arrangements, if they want to share with their partner then make alternate arrangements to get your own place.
 
Sorry, can't see the confusion - assuming E & J are sharing rooms with M & S respectively, they should be splitting the cost of the rooms between them (four different allocations of rent, pre-decided upon for room size, extra reatures etc. - E & M should be paying one lot between them, J & S a second lot, you a third and K a fourth). If J is throwing a wobbler, it's E's problem - he made a decision to share a room with her, he's split the financial burden and if it's gone nuts up, he's the one on whom the responsibility falls.

If, on the other hand, the house is split over 6 rooms, each person should be paying their own rent, in which case you'd have J on the contract as being responsible. Unfortunately, the way student property works, if one person isn't paying rent the responsibility of cashing out falls on the other tenants equally, not on that one person. Bad way of working, I know, but that's the way it goes.

I hope J is sharing a room with S and you haven't been greedy enough to charge each of them an even portion of the rent for half a room. If just the former, you've got nothing to worry about - it's S' responsibility to cover the rent on his room if his girl's scooted. If the former, serves you right - they're occupying the same space as a couple as you are as a singleton, yet paying out twice as much. You've been getting it easy up until now and it's time for you to snap to and start paying what you should have been paying in the first place.
 
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