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oh dear oh dear.....

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...food-vow-stores-after-betrayal-in-eu-talks.do

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...in-Investigation-dairy-farmers-admission.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...sale-minister-sabotages-Europes-ban-call.html




couple of vids just for fun ehh :D

So seems safe so why the heck not ehh? I thought though (with my meager knowledge of genetics) that the problem with clones is the degradation of that genetic integrity of the cloned animal? I'm just making this up as i go though?

What is disturbing is that we aint gonna get clear labelling distinguishing between cloned and non-cloned meat/milk...

We got a geneticist in the house? :D
 
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Coming from someone who has actually done some 'cloning', I still be weary of chowing down on this, outside of the UK at least.

Genetic engineering has incredible potential, but the way it has been used commercially so recklessly is just ridiculous. GM foods were being farmed to eat less than one year after the succesful transformation in the US to protect against viruses. Ten years later, they realised the theory behind how they thought it worked was totally wrong. So people had been eating crops that they had no idea how they worked, which is just frightening really.

Or how about monsanto making grass seeds for golf courses that are resistant to all practically all herbicides? Great for the golf courses. Rather crap for the poor farmer who has a load of easily dispersable and persistant grass causing havoc amonst his crops with the only way of getting rid of it being to chemically nuke his field.

There are loads of examples of this, such as putting in full sequences of DNA for antibiotic resistance and leaving them in there (in some US crops they are still there!), using full sequences of viral genes rather than fragments... a whole load of unnecessry risk.

The science is great, the application of it has pretty much been dubious in the commercial sector. If the application of it is sensible, then it will be great. Thankfully, the UK has always had a great stance on GM products and cloned food. Regardless, I can't help but remain sceptical.

Ethically, I'm not sure I'd want to chow down on it either.
 
Nitefly said:
Coming from someone who has actually done some 'cloning', I still be weary of chowing down on this, outside of the UK at least.

Genetic engineering has incredible potential, but the way it has been used commercially so recklessly is just ridiculous. GM foods were being farmed to eat less than one year after the succesful transformation in the US to protect against viruses. Ten years later, they realised the theory behind how they thought it worked was totally wrong. So people had been eating crops that they had no idea how they worked, which is just frightening really.

Or how about monsanto making grass seeds for golf courses that are resistant to all practically all herbicides? Great for the golf courses. Rather crap for the poor farmer who has a load of easily dispersable and persistant grass causing havoc amonst his crops with the only way of getting rid of it being to chemically nuke his field.

There are loads of examples of this, such as putting in full sequences of DNA for antibiotic resistance and leaving them in there (in some US crops they are still there!), using full sequences of viral genes rather than fragments... a whole load of unnecessry risk.

The science is great, the application of it has pretty much been dubious in the commercial sector. If the application of it is sensible, then it will be great. Thankfully, the UK has always had a great stance on GM products and cloned food. Regardless, I can't help but remain sceptical.

Ethically, I'm not sure I'd want to chow down on it either.
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you've posted this exact post before haven't you? I'm certain I've read it before.

Either way, scary stuff. how can these companies be so reckless?
I mean, the answer is obvious (money) but, you know, it's still worrying.

Are you in the industry Nitefly?
 
Research has identified serious concerns for the health and well-being of animals produced as a result of cloning. There is evidence of premature births, deformities and early death.
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So none of this can happen with 'normal' animals, hah
 
Aod said:
you've posted this exact post before haven't you? I'm certain I've read it before.
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Yes I have :p

This thread has been done before but I thought I'd get in early with my stance. I should have quoted myself... naughty :o

Are you in the industry Nitefly?
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Nothing fills me with dread more than the thought of waking up to do an experiment - hell no :D
 
This is DISGUSTING.

We have been betrayed by our OWN minister.

I cant wait to leave this country, its going down the toilet FAST, and soon all the decent people will emigrate like me, just leaving one big cesspool of scum and chavs, all eating cloned garbage from mcdonalds.

WHY did the minister STITCH US UP?????

Stupid old cow.

Can u tell im ragin about this.

Thanks for nothing Spelman u *****, and thanks for nothing the EU, you good for nothing snotty, belgian buerocrats.

I dispair. Not even having a LABEL ffs to tell the difference, yet all foods currently have to have fats and carbs and salt labelled, but no, dont have to declare it if its been cloned.

Sheer moronicy.

Im quite upset.
 
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Judgeneo said:
Why bother cloning for meat? Surely it takes just as long to produce the animal as if it were produced naturally?
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I'm not against it on ethical/moral grounds, but I want to see it properly tested by a food agency before eating it.

Nice title btw.
 
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