Potentially ridiculous PFA list again

Repta said:
never understood this either, young player to me is <21
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Agreed. At 24, they could have been a first team player for 6 or 7 years. Hart has made nearly 200 appearances at a professional level while Nasri is nearing 300! If any justice is done, Wilshere will get the accolade.
 
Gilly said:
When I've seen him Vidic has been rubbish this season.

He's been almost infallible and unflappable before now, but very unsteady this season.
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he obviously is at his best next to ferdinand. smalling will be better than ferdinand i reckon, wish spurs had gone in for him.
 
Looking at those lists it's difficult to pick a standout winner for either award. I'd probably go with Tevez and Wilshere but I suspect Bale will win 1 :o
 
Tunney said:
I'd rather see Modric on the last. He's been consistently brilliant all season.

However, I can see why Bale has been picked. He's always very entertaining to watch and has scored brilliant goals like this:

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Well going by that why isn't Berbatov in the list? He scored an absolute stunner and has been one of the top goalscorers this season if not the top.

Bale is in there on media praise, not performances.
 
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It's a stupid shortlist, again... But I'm still in shock from DM saying Arshavin has been better than Nasri.

I think that has to go into DM's "highlights". Ah well, Vidic will win, Wilshere should win the YPOTY, as Nani shouldn't be on that list.
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Lets see, league alone, Arshavin, 6 goals, 11 assists, spread throughout the season fairly evenly. Nasri, 9 goals, 1 assists. So total goals heavily involved in, 17 for Arshavin, 10 for Nasri......

Nasri has scored a solitary goal since December the 5th in the league, Arshavin has 3 goals, 3 assists. Nasri had a decent HALF season, literally, first 4 months 8 goals, great start, dropped off quickly, he's had a pretty woeful second half to the season despite being given a much more involved central role for last month or more Arsenal have been a bit rubbish when relying on Nasri to be playmaker. Infact since we've relied on Nasri as our playmaker, we've gone out of every competition and thrown the league away.

What about all season for Arsenal you say, 33 starts, 7 subs, 14 goals, 4 assists(that excludes his France and the world football challenge for Arsenal).

Arshavin has 33 starts 11 sub appearances, 10 goals, 17 assists. So again looking at total goals involved across all competitions for Arsenal, Nasri 18 goals, Arshavin 27.

Nasri, joint top 14th scorer(7 people on 9 goals), Arshavin, joint 2nd top assist maker.

On what exact level has Nasri been better, or more important to Arsenal this season?

Throw in 3 penalties for Nasri, that Arshavin could have taken,(or anyone else) and you've be at 11 goals, 4 assists, vs 10 goals, 17 assists, I for one can easily see whose been more effective, less used, been subbed off and on the pitch more. arshavin may have scored a penalty, can't spot one easily but hard to find obvious stats of how many goals scored are penalties.
 
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Must agree with DM, Nasri has been decidedly average for Arsenal for quite a few months now. He had a couple of months where he was banging them in for fun but that's it.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Coleman has been awesome and consistent for most of the season, Bale has not been.

What a buy Coleman was for 60k.
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i definately don't watch Coleman every game, but I've seen several games where you can't even tell he's on the pitch. Bale, as you said not particularly consistant and against some guys just looked easily easily contained, as we've all remarked earlier in the season, Phil Neville amongst others had Bale in his pocket. He's not been bad though and you get the feeling he's improved.

In for both awards is a joke though, anyway final lists are out. The only change is VDV has been added to the main list, otherwise its the same.

Bale should maybe be on the young persons list, and really shouldn't be in a chance with winning it, 7 goals, 3 assists in the league, of which 4 goals and 1 assist came in just two games. Nasri shouldn't have made either list, firstly not really very young, secondly he had a half dozen great games, and by great, he scored goals but even in those games was largely uninvolved, as a "midfielder" he was largely uninvolved. I've been saying, even earlier when people were raving over him, he was getting goals as a striker not involved with the game at large. Which is exactly why being asked to play as playmaker has failed for both him and thrown away every competition in a month for Arsenal. He's become a very average striker this year, a rubbish midfielder, an utterly incapable playmaker.

Nani still didn't make the main list, I'm not sure he deserves player of the season, its not all about goals and assists, but he's clearly been one of the best attackers in the league.

Still no Kompany, no Arshavin, no Baines probably the best fullback in the league, no Brunt the difference for West brom, 3 assists against Arsenal, 2 against Utd, 11 total, goals against Spurs, Liverpool, Everton, ok a long shot but he's been immense for them, Berbatov, really only being limited by limited gametime, if Fergie was less of a girl and played 4-4-2 starting him more often, he'd have a bunch more goals to be honest, and more assists.

Defensively, obviously Kompany, but Terry, Ivanovic, Hughes and Johnson outside shots of which I'd put most of those up before Vidic.
 
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I would, shockingly, agree with DM, however, those stats don't show how wasteful Arshavin can be at times. I'm not saying Nasri has been much better, but there have been too many games for Arshavin where he does very little and consistently gives the ball away.
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
Yep I'd prefer to have seen Arshavin on that list instead of Nasri who doesn't deserve to be but hey ho.
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Nasri has been better than Arshavin, people are so quick to forget in football! Nasri was sensational in the first half of the season, almost every week, he also contributes loads to the team even when he isn't having a headline catching game, which is why he differs to Arshavin. Arshavin got dropped this season, he's not been our best player

I'd also disagree that Nasri has been average recently, sure not as good, but he's seldom average. He set himself unbelievable standards though early on, only Messi keeps that level for a full season
 
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Player of the Year

Samir Nasri, Gareth Bale, Rafael van der Vaart, Carlos Tevez, Scott Parker, Nemanja Vidic, Charlie Adam.


Young Player of the Year

Gareth Bale, Seamus Coleman, Joe Hart, Javier Hernandez, Nani, Nasri, Jack Wilshere

So the leak was correct then.
 
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