Dutch Ritual Slaughter Ban a Step Closer
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I'm not sure any religious person would claim such a thing.
Sin is a religious concept, and doesn't mean much outside of religion. A religious person may sin less than a non-religious person, but they'll also be more aware of their sin, so they feel more guilt, etc.
Anyway. Paul wrote extensively about the issues that arise from codifying sin. You might find the book or Romans interesting.
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I am rather confused, surely if the meat is stunned, then it simply isn't Halal, just marketed as such without actually fulfilling the criteria, or have I missed something in the intricate wording of such definitions?
Why? No where does it say it can't be stunned, talks about sharp knife, where the cut is, checking the eyes and so on. Nothing against it being stunned.
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Personaly think religion is a bad thing, control on a grand scale..
But with all thats happening in the world at this time.
This is an another step towards the world separating more and more into east v west and heading into a major world wide conflict.
Very broadly speaking of course.
But with all thats happening in the world at this time.
This is an another step towards the world separating more and more into east v west and heading into a major world wide conflict.
Very broadly speaking of course.
All i know and have been told so far in relation to stunning animals before the actual slaughter of them is that as long as the stunning does not kill the animal itself, goes on for too long ie the voltage is too low or too high then its fine with regards to islam.
Yep i guess moving forward is now banning certain people from practising certain functions of their religion right??...the west is slowly becoming draconian with the french banning the burkha and now holland banning kosher and halal slaughter techniques....the worst thing is the people who rail against this are quite happy to sit in an indian curry house and actually eat the meat they are so vehemently against...99% of curry houses in this country are halal
...such utter hypocrites....oh and lets not forget the good old subwaychain where again most if not all their meat is halal....quite mind boggling to see peoples reactions and their actions lol lol.
Everyone does not sin! Sin is only a theological term relevent to religion and nothing to do with right or wrong!
Where does the concept of "original sin" come from if not religion?
I think most decent right minded thinkers can distinguish between right and wrong without the aid of some mumbo jumbo religion!
To a religuse person everyone sins. Which is what we are talking about mixed relationship.
Yet again your stating something no one has said, of course you can have right and wrong with out religion. Said that already.
Can we accept you've been wrong on everything so far from doctrine to beliefs? Your perception is not based on reality hence why you have been called a bigot by a few.
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It must not be dead, it is because the blood needs to be drain, obviously this is not possible with a dead carcass. Stunning is acceptable as long as the animal does not die prior to slaughter.
Perhaps the West is becoming more enlightened and civilised and finally resisting the dilution of their society by religious beliefs of theocratic cultures which actually cause conflict within and fragment Western society.
No one is calling for a world-wide ban on such things...just within Western culture.
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The banning of the burkha i can fully understand as a muslim man, im no fan of it and absolutely loathe seeing women wearing such attire when its clearly nothing to do with islam...its a cultural thing thats been deemed islamic by men.
Well it may not be a world wide ban but one country doing it will only cause other countries to do the same...hopefully it will never happen,.
It does but it is all down to interpretation, 33:59 could be used to support it while other interpretations vary drastically.
Indeed and thats the problem...too many people within islam interpreting certain verses in the Quran to further their own agenda's and needs...
This thread has clearly been hijacked into a standard religion debate.
Back to the main topic, when certain rules of a religion mean that the slaughter of an animal becomes less humane (I don't care about what they whisper in its ear or how they handle the meat after, because I'm fairly sure the only instant that matters here is the instant the animal is killed) then I believe in todays society, this is severely outdated. What if I was to claim that all sheep should be dressed in pink tutus during slaughter, and persuaded millions to think the same.
It's utterly pointless and impractical. I have no problem with religion, until it infringes on the lives of others. And if you ask me that includes animals.
Back to the main topic, when certain rules of a religion mean that the slaughter of an animal becomes less humane (I don't care about what they whisper in its ear or how they handle the meat after, because I'm fairly sure the only instant that matters here is the instant the animal is killed) then I believe in todays society, this is severely outdated. What if I was to claim that all sheep should be dressed in pink tutus during slaughter, and persuaded millions to think the same.
It's utterly pointless and impractical. I have no problem with religion, until it infringes on the lives of others. And if you ask me that includes animals.
You can't get a perfect interpretation, no matter how hard you try.
Sorry but in a perfect world you would not interpret to fulfil your own opinion, sadly I doubt you can do such.
It's best to keep Morals to empathy + society, and facts to books that do not require interpretations. Otherwise you are going to make a lot of mistakes.
Islam sadly does not have the best track record regarding agreeing with western morals, a stud a few years ago shows that 62% of British Muslims hold the opinion that free speech should be limited to stop people criticising religion.
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