Dutch Ritual Slaughter Ban a Step Closer
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Something to do with the nreves being severed as they carry signals from the brain to the various body parts....its like if you cut your own throat, you will twitch and convulse due to the nerves being severed as there would be signals still being carried around the body until the brain realises that the nerve is dead...not that i suggest you do so
.Im just stating my own personal opinion so i may very well be wrong on that, i await for someone to correct me.
As for the pain??...there must be some sort of pain associated with the cutting of the throat....how much pain is anyones guess really.
Here's a piece citing some research. Biased source, but if the research is valid it's valid. It talks about other research and topics than just this quote.
http://www.halalmc.net/resources/stunning_articles/019_halal_hysteria.html
"the Islamic way of slaughtering is the most humane method of slaughter and that captive bolt stunning, practiced in the West, causes severe pain to the animal."[1]
1. Deutsche Tieraerztliche Wochenschrift (German veterinary weekly) volume 85 (1978), pages 62-66
http://www.halalmc.net/resources/stunning_articles/019_halal_hysteria.html
"the Islamic way of slaughtering is the most humane method of slaughter and that captive bolt stunning, practiced in the West, causes severe pain to the animal."[1]
1. Deutsche Tieraerztliche Wochenschrift (German veterinary weekly) volume 85 (1978), pages 62-66
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Barbaric religion uses barbaric slaughter method
Go figure !!!
I mean these religious nuts still stone women for adultery and run little kids arms over with lorries as punishment ffs
Go figure !!!
I mean these religious nuts still stone women for adultery and run little kids arms over with lorries as punishment ffs
Excellent article that is...first time ive seen it and had a good read of it...seems like stunning an animal as i previously thought is far more inhumane than the halal/kosher way of slaughtering...but its ok the Daily Mail with its anti muslim/islam stance will serve to keep people ignorant of the true facts.
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1978 I would hazard a guess it's out of date research, nice try clutching and fetid blood stained straws IMHO
My god another religious bigot makes his appearance....hey badcompany why dont you do yourself a favour and stick to the topic on hand rather than bleat on about stoning and other such punishments as that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of halal/kosher slaughter methods....
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You have.. what... 29,000 posts? you'd think you'd be used to it by now
This is OCuK afterall
You have.. what... 29,000 posts? you'd think you'd be used to it by now
This is OCuK afterall
Yes silly old me....should have known better
...still such a sad thing to see that people are so bigotted or firmly entrenched in their views that anything said to dispel those views are still met with hostility.
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Highlighting the backward retardation of a religion is key to understanding the mentality of those who think this is acceptable.
Middle ages are over , oh then again what year is it by the Islamic calendar again ?
Lol
Dam iPhone and fat fingers excuse the typos
Go live elsewhere if you want to behave like that, this us a western civilised nation.
1996, 1999 and 1998 in the article as well.
1. Deutsche Tieraerztliche Wochenschrift (German veterinary weekly) volume 85 (1978), pages 62-66
2. M.H. Anil, 1999. Potential contamination of beef carcasses with brain tissue at slaughter.
3. N.G. Gregory, S.B. Wotton, 1984. Sheep slaughtering Procedures I. Survey of abattoir practice. British Veterinary Journal 140, 281-286.
4. S. Wotton, 1996. Sticking techniques and exsanguination in pigs, sheep and calves, Meat Focus International (July edition), 234-237.
5. N.G. Gregory, S.B. Wotton, 1985. Sheep slaughtering procedures IV: Responsiveness of the brain following electrical stunning. British Veterinary Journal 141, 74-81.
6. N.G. Gregory, S.B. Wotton, 1988. Sheep slaughtering procedures V. Responsiveness to potentially painful stimuli following electrical stunning, British Veterinary Journal 144, 573-580.
7. F. Boyd, “Humane Slaughter of Poultry: The Case Against the Use of Electrical Stunning Devices,” Journal of Agricultural and Environmental Ethics, 7 (1994): 221-236.
8. M. Raj, 1998. Welfare During Stunning and Slaughter of Poultry. Poultry Science 77, 1815-1819.
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LOL is that the best you can come up with??...nice try clutching at straws as well. That research is probably as valid as it was back then...then it is today...just because it proves that you know nothing doesnt mean its not valid
.No thanks i was born here...why the hell should i go live somewhere just because i practice my religion and you dont agree with it??.
As for the backward retardation of a religion??...i may very well be muslim but im neither backwards or retarded....cant say the same for you...im about as modern as they come...i follow all the rules of this land and always will do for as long as i live here but i also follow the rules of Islam or try my damned best to...i cant say the same about other fellow muslims though. Dont believe everything you read in the Daily Fail mate
.Go crawl back under the rock you came from
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Morals are not a tool, they are an ethical position. How we enforce and communicate those morals however requires an apparatus, in many part of the world that is predominantly religion.
In the UK we are in a position where our society has more than one apparatus for communication of ethics and morals, we have education, we have secular legislature, we have secular courts and we have Democratic Government and we also have Religion. Each of these things adds to the moral and ethical make-up of our society, and to remove one would be to devalue the others.
Society in the Western world is advanced, however if we look at this historically, the first hospitals, schools, Universities, laws, social charity all originated with religious groups who using their doctrine and belief tried to teach those around them.
Works of art, architecture, scientific endeavour, philosophy, literature and so on all have their influences from religion, be it as a religious scholar attempting to explain the world better in his search for Gods work, or building the great cathedral's and Mosques in honour of their relative gods, to poetry, paintings and literature. Religion did not hold these things back, it pushed them forward, it has been the driving force of western culture and even within Islam, the golden age of Islam and that of Hinduism before it, brought such things as medicine, literacy for the common man, mathematics, astronomy, and so on. That is not to say that these things would not have happened without religion, however Religious belief in these people acted as a catalyst. Michaelangelo for the obvious example.
There is a problem that people assume that the wealth of theological insight and information is in the Bible, or Qu'ran or Torah, when in fact it is in the works of the Great theologians like Plato, Hesiod, Cicero, Rabbi Akiva, Origen,Wasil ibn Ata, Alkindus, St Augustine, and many more. Religious belief is not only about the holy book and doctrine.
There is no doubt that religion can be subverted by those who wish to cause strife, however it can and has been used by those who wish to push the Human Race ever forward.
Some religions, especially the Catholic, Judaic and Islamic faiths need to address specific issues in their doctrine, this takes time. Let us not forget that our secular society in the western world is only about a hundred years old and for great edifices like the catholic church change comes slowly, but it comes and while militant humanists like the "brights" force their own unique brand of evangelism on society so do religious hotheads attempt the same. It is up to the majority to force the middle ground, and find some compromise between the spiritual and physical needs of Mankind, because one without the other will make for a far worse world than we know today.
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If this is a Western Civilized Nation then you may want to exercise that founding principle of this Nation.....Tolerance.
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If this is a Western Civilized Nation then you may want to exercise that founding principle of that Nation.....Tolerance.
+1, brilliant
If this is a Western Civilized Nation then you may want to exercise that founding principle of that Nation.....Tolerance.
But...but...but those evil muslims dont practice tolerance so why should we be tolerant to them??....see where im going with this??
Brilliant comeback though but sadly people will use the few minority of muslims to try and prove that we are much the same ie no tolerance from the muslims in general.
Another article...
They want to ban the killing without stunning. Nothing else. Why you keep talking about other things I have no idea.
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That quotes wrong, the animal only needs to be alive.