Council rubbish bin collection fines to be scrapped

I have already said I fully agree the utter garbage fine needs to be removed, wrong items in recycling bin, wrong location in terms of when the authority has said put it "here", lid up all need to go. But it has to be enforceable to make sure you do not cause issue to your neighbours and onto the street.

Imagien trying to sell your house and your neighbours garden is covered in litter, really isnt going to help.
 
Dolph Anti Social Behaviour such as working with the youngsters, repeat offenders has been with the local authority's now for about 5 years, it is to move back to the police neaxt year, who will make a final decision as to who to engage at a local level.

Ah, you're talking about that sort of addressing of the problem, rather than actually managing it.

The problem is the current anti-social behaviour regime has been a complete failure in most places, because they've failed to address the root cause which is a divorce between rights and responsibilities in many areas of life.

The Police are only interested in 999 emergency calls the other non emergency number which takes 10-20 mins to answer will not make you see a Policeman respond in any quick time limit.

10-20 mins is a damn sight quicker than I can get to speak to anyone at my local council, and even if I do, they are about as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

The truth is a lot of people do not like to approach neighbours now, when you try and sell your house it has to be declared etc, so an anoymous call to someone else is often easier.

The truth is that all these little pointless measures fail to address the root cause of many of the issues today, and usually end up hurting the wrong people or being used as revenue streams by feckless councils.
 
Fully agree, the wreckless use of powers by some, who should have been held to account for them have hurt everyone, I will look on and hope they see some common sense.
 
How did you cope prior to the ability to levy fines? They are a pretty recent addition to your arsenal and I don't seem to recall the streets overflowing with rubbish prior to their installation.
 
I hope others have more luck than me if the refuse collectors ever break their wheelie bin!
The collectors broke the lid from my bin during collection - after several polite calls and visits to the local council offices, they eventually and reluctantly sent someone round who tried gluing the broken plastic hinges back on which promtly failed as soon as they collected the bin next time around!

Now I had to purchase that bin when I moved into the house as it was brand new but I was faced with a right rude, fat and grumpy middle aged battleaxe of a woman who'd been in the job far too long and seemed to think that I had no right to expect the council to replace the bin they'd broken and it was coming out of her pocket personally.

After 4 more visits over several weeks and her giving the excuse that they had none available, I finally flipped and threatened to report her to her superiors after she was rude yet again to me in front of other staff and customers... she soon changed her tune and a new one was delivered within two days! Why couldn't she simply have done this in the first place?

I know council staff sometimes have to contend with difficult people but they often forget it's the public who actually pays their wages and some are far too full of their own self importance and go on power trips if they are given any form of power.
Anything that will curb this kind of behaviour is fine by me!
 
It's about time rubbish bag vigilantism was kicked back into councils backside.

Recycling should be encouraged, for it is right thing to do, not forced on people. You'll generally find, that for stuff that solely relies on quality and willingness of participation providing incentive is always better than threats. In some countries that incentive is shifted onto primary littering element - the manufacturer. If clear bottle, scrap tin metal, glass jar, what-have-you has value, then manufacturer is to buy it back from people, plus organize collection in all of their retail points for discount tokens/school vouchers, in exchange for tax rebates. Suddenly recycling makes sense to everyone. It's no longer a chore forced by bureaucrat. It's a common sense. You don't see people littering streets with coins, they will stop littering streets with beer cans if said beer can has value. Or if they do, there will be plenty of volunteers to pick them up extra pronto.

The whole "lid not closing" thing is just complete lack of imagination. It's like charging for internet transfer/volume. Only idiot in accounting can come up with something like this. We don't control amount of rubbish handed to us. The only way you could impose any litter limits on me is if I - the recipient of goods - could impose packaging limits on Tesco, spam limits on Royal Mail and garden growth limits on God. If my lid doesn't close, it doesn't mean that I am overly wasteful, it only means your limits are unrealistic for the amount of rubbish I am forced to pass on. I did not CREATE the rubbish, did not multiply it, did not manufacture it in my spare time - it was handed to me, and I hand it over to you, what else can I do?

And that brings me to the last point. Rubbish collection is not free affair. One could argue, that after paying for policing and parish, it is the only real service provided by council for the £1200-1500 average fee. I know council doesn't see it that way, but in reality that's what it is - I, as a citizen, don't get much more from council for my money. So when councils propose "we'll collect it fortnightly, you have limit of one bin and your lid has to close" I have only two things to say back

1. I elected you to SERVE US, not RULE US. Now, me and my fellow citizens need you to do us the service we elected you for and organize pick up of ALL our rubbish. This isn't negotiable, that's what you are called - public servant, that's your job - public serving - if you don't do your job, we, the public, have no use for you. Rubbish. All of it. NOW. Do it and STFU or GTFO.

2. If the volume is a problem and you only contracted one waste lorry - fine - me and my hommies, we'll organize it ourselves. 20 houses on the street, 1200 council bill a year. I'm sure I'll find someone to pop in once a week to pick our trash. But you don't get a penny from us this year. Deal?

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Von you seem to be forgetting schools, roads, lighting, Libraries, Parks, footpaths, social services etc.

But its one of the visual things you see so is at the forefront, Central government have not healped, dont want us to landfill, so they add penaltys to it, do not want waste burnt so add a penalty to it.

If a big company like tesco who make billions do not see a need to make everything they sell from material that can be recycled no one else is, some of the costs should be shifted to them as has been down with electronic items.

We cost £47 a year for 52 refuse collections and 26 recycling collections, if I can do then then why others collect every fortnight is beyond me. Most residents are here are happy, they also do not chuck away a massive amount of waste, not because it was forced upon them but they struggle to produce more then 5 black bags a week. With two kids the four of us in my house do about 2 bags a week, at a push 3.
 
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Not really sure what difference that makes to my question tbh...

I wouldnt call 21 years a recent addition to the arsenal!

I have no idea what the litter situation was in the old days I was only 11 but a lot of things have changed in 21 years.

More bins, more people do take responsiblity, as in dont drop litter, I know when I was a kid no one really cared, but Keep Britain Tidy have been going strong for a while.
 
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