Feeding children meat is child abuse

I've started going semi - vegetarian because my metabolism is slowing down and weight was piling on.

Vegetarian diets are unhealthy for kids though. They would miss out on a lot of essential amino acids that are important while growing, but not important for adults.

Fish is also the healthiest food in the world. I agree that red meat is very unhealthy with too much cholesterol, particularly in fast food, but grilled chicken or fish is some of the healthiest food you can get, particularly with, or in a salad.

And thats the other point as well - FRIED meat is unhealthy and to much of it will have consequences to your health. But grilled meat is fine in moderation (3 servings of meat a week should the minimum for children, and its best if its fish, except tuna. Birds Eye's omega 3 enriched fish fingers are the best, and I still eat those on a weekly basis so I'm not a full veggie, but I dont eat any meat other than fish now).

And of course, budget brand processed meat is a big no no. For people who cant tell the difference, simply only buy birds eye food to feed children with, you cant go wrong with it. And dont forget to GRILL or BAKE it, not fry.
 
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icecold said:
Firstly...

Fat IS NOT bad for you. I'm not even talking about moderation, even eating what some would see as a lot of fat is still not bad for you. You can lose serious amounts of weight eating a diet that's high in fat, even saturated fat :eek::eek: and not "clog your arteries". Trans-fats, sure, but it's not hard to avoid those (without googling I can't even think of a source that I can buy...).

Now that's out of the way, some other issues ;)

- good luck getting enough calories and a well rounded nutrient profile into a child on a veggie diet. To the point of zero deficiencies. It's possible, but hard. Granted there are lots of things wrong with a lot of the "normal" diets fed to children, but going to this extreme isn't the answer (kudos to the chap who is a vegetarian who feeds his children meat until they can make the choice for themselves). I'm fairly sure this was in the news at some point actually...children being fed cheese on toast at nursery because of low energy or something
- why are they putting an overweight woman on TV to tell people that not being a vegetarian leads to obesity. ****ing smart :p
- it's a shame they didn't just say "junk food", that would be a message a lot of people could get behind
- paleolithic diets were actually fairly high in meat in terms of % of what's eaten, what they didn't have was a lot of refined gains, sugar, etc. There is some interesting reading to be done about the diets of modern hunter gatherer groups and their associated health. Also as someone mentioned (Tefal??), another problem is that we aren't designed to constantly be in a fed state. Things like intermittent fasting take advantage of this.
- I'm not sure why I have laid this post out like this now, but there you go :)
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Because people aren't like you and me and others interested in this sort of thing. They don't do the research, they don't learn about how their bodies work, and think that the marketing companies have their best interests at heart.

Good post. :)
 
Freefaller said:
I think I was fed meat intravenously as a child as I can't live without it now! :D On a serious note, owing to a French and Cypriot (and English) background, meat was always going to be an important part of my diet - as soon as I was old enough to chew on it I think there was no turning back! :D

This is another one of those "fads". They said eggs were bad for you, then they retracted their statements. Sure there's a dichotomy with regards to red meat and saturated fats - but to be honest if you have a well balanced idet it's not really an issue. Saturated fats are actually critical to healthy lifestyles, it's just the right ones - the dichotomy comes into play here as it helps positively boost hormone levels, but it can also create health problems if the balance isn't well managed.

All trans fats are bad, not all sat fats are bad, mono and poly fats are good.
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Nuts for instance are very high in fats and are brilliant power food. This type of fat actually decreases the level of bad LDL (Low density lipoprotein ) cholesterol and helps maintain the desirable levels of “good” HDL cholesterol (High density lipoprotein)
 
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as i say my wife has been told she has a high 7.5 colesterol level and has been told to take a health test at the doctors (she has yet to do) and she has been to change her diet

She eats a lot of red meat and pot noodles and crap like that that have sat fats in them all
now if they were not bad why would a doctor who has been to school collage and uni to get that degree say that ,,,, just for giggles i suppose and to wind my wife up and think she is not well i suppose??

she does drink red wine and does not excersize like i do (10mile walks every day with dog)

I was also OVERWEIGHT about two years ago (18 stone @ 6 ft) and felt so ill my main vices were home made brevels (cheese backon and onion yum) and ate a lot of them then i changed my diet cut out all the BAD fats and ate GOOD fats (there is a differance) and excersized EVERY DAY (weights nintendo wii fit and ea active and gym) and lost 7 stone in 1 year and have a 14% body fat ratio and and my BMI ( yes i mentioned BMI so sue me lol) is now perfect at 21
 
Justin said:
It's just PETA being PETA. Bunch of idiots.

I'm a vegetarian and when I have kids they will have meat until they are old enough to make their own decision about eating meat. I personally think a vegetarian diet for a child is bad.
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That's good to hear, I know a few people who are vegetarian, and have only ever been vegetarian because their parents were vegetarian and never let them eat meat! I would've expected some of the kids to 'rebel' actually and become massive carnivores, bizarre.

My mother is a vegetarian and she always cooked meat for me when I was young.
 
Freefaller said:
Erm, you don't have to explain that to me matey - but thanks. :)
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:D nuts will make you poop good n fast the next day though lol if eaten in high quantaties let me tell ya :p

EDIT my wife was told not to eat eggs and they have good colesterol in them but they said she should NOT eat them
 
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I eat a lot of fish (more so than red meat), poultry, red meat (sat fats OMG!!!!), nuts, oils, green veg, veg in general, fruits and even dairy (OMG!!!!). Yet my cholesterol is 4.1, with LDL of around 2.2 (ergo, HDL of 1.9 which is v.good) - so I disagree vehemently with all this sat fat, eggs and don't eat meat crap. Though admittedly I'm a little anal about what I eat, and I do tend to eat more fish and poultry than red meat - that notwithstanding, I do eat a good kilo or so of red meat a week. However, this is also a reflection of my lifestyle and the sport I enjoy (lifting heavy bits of metal, and lugging cars and kegs etc...)

Besides, cholesterol is made in your body rather than ingested directly. Trigclycerides, and transfats just need to be avoided. Sat fats and other fats are fine (with a healthy, balanced diet, and exercise!).
 
i do and always will eat what I want ie steak nearly everyday chicken legs wings to keep my muscle bulk as they are full of protien and i do a lot of walking and weights so do NOT want to loose muscle through walking (8 to 10 miles 4.2 mph 1 mile in 14 mins with weights in my pockets) and i havnt taken a colesterol test though i might get one from boots today to see what my levels are though i recon they will be good as i excersize a lot though my wife she eats crap full of sat fats and does not excersize (excersize is the key to controlling colesterol in my opinoin and it is only in my opinion ok peeps) and has a high colesterol reading as i said before of 7.5 and thats not good

The docs told her to change her diet and EXCERSIZE but getting her to walk with me and the dog is a mish and when she does it is at around 2 miles an hour lol (yes i mesure my speeds my times and calories heart rate to make sure it is within 120 to 130 bpm etc)

EDIT Its funny how many people have allergies to DAIRY and dont even know it
 
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I think that the videos posted here are difficult to watch but important to see if you are an avid meant eater. It's good to understand where your food comes from, if you've watched those videos and still cool with eating meant that's fine.

I will continue to eat meat (mostly pork TBH) as i don't have a problem with animals being slaughtered for me to eat, and i really actually don't care if they're stunned or not, as death is over in a few minutes regurdless (seeing Pork is not halal anyway they are mostly likely stunned regurdless)
 
Freefaller said:
Interesting reading if anyone is interested:

http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm

I have one of his books, the other is retailing at over £100 so a little bit much for me, but having read some of his articles it's well worth reading.
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Ill tell my wife to carry on eating currys and pizza and kebabs then shall i and when she is on a slab in the morge ill come back here and say CHEERS for telling me that sat fats are not bad :rolleyes:

I have been to the chemists today to get a colesterol test and the pharmasist told me when i was chatting to him about my wifes level of 7.5 that that is High and when i told him what she likes to eat ie prawn dansaks and pot noodles hot n spicy pizzas etc and that she enjoys her wine he told me to NOT let her have these things as her colesterol is to high and that it is extremely BAD for her !!!

Should i go down there tomorrow and tell him he talks out of his A** ??

Im sorry, Im not meaning to sound or be rude or agumentative about this as i do take on board what is said I just dont believe that there is NO such thing as bad fats
 
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Fats don't make you fat and cholesterol isn't bad for you.

High cholesterol is caused by inflamation, which is caused by excess insulin which in turn is caused by having too many simple carbs and sugars in your diet.

I eat lots of eggs, meat, nuts, loads of fat and protein with few carbs and my cholesterol was 2.1.
 
Raikiri said:
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I eat lots of eggs, meat, nuts, loads of fat and protein with few carbs and my cholesterol was 2.1.
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Pleas note all these contain GOOD fats fatty acids and good colesterol (although my wife should not eat eggs according to the docs) NUTS are extremly good power foods and i used to eat 6 eggs in the morning alone when i was into my body building

Id realy like to know what mine is actually is there any other way other than the docs to tell (other than the £12.50 tester kit from the chemists as well )
 
Every cell in our body requires cholesterol, our cells are capable of producing cholesterol if they require more than diet provides, our liver produces cholesterol, this is how important it is to our health and well being.

You could eat no cholesterol at all but still have high blood cholesterol. This fear of cholesterol is brought about by years of misinformation, it's pure laziness on the part of people on here who come on spouting crap about how sat fats are bad for our health when all the relevant information to debunk this theory is out there for all to see, pure natural fats from animals such as tallow from beef and lard from pork are remarkably healthy foods as is butter, egg yolk and cheese amongst many others such as fish oils.

This recent study for instance could find no correlation between dietry cholesterol and instance of CHD and CVD related illnesses.

http://www.ajcn.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.abstract
 
smit101 said:
Every cell in our body requires cholesterol, our cells are capable of producing cholesterol if they require more than diet provides, our liver produces cholesterol, this is how important it is to our health and well being.

You could eat no cholesterol at all but still have high blood cholesterol. This fear of cholesterol is brought about by years of misinformation, it's pure laziness on the part of people on here who come on spouting crap about how sat fats are bad for our health when all the relevant information to debunk this theory is out there for all to see, pure natural fats from animals such as tallow from beef and lard from pork are remarkably healthy foods as is butter, egg yolk and cheese amongst many others such as fish oils.

This recent study for instance could find no correlation between dietry cholesterol and instance of CHD and CVD related illnesses.

http://www.ajcn.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.abstract
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This post tires me

I think ill just not come into this one again as i am now lazy and apparently sput crap now lol as i DO believe certain FATS ie TRANS and some SAT FATS found in certain foods are BAD as i have learnt that from day one and the docs and today the PHARMASISTS have told me to. so i believe them UNLESS someone can show me there degree showing me that they are MORE qualified than them and post me a link that does NOT take me to a chap who wrote a book (in there favour) about fats etc all being good for us

PS i am NOT lazy i DO do my research WHEN i NEED to know something.

PPS i have read through that paper and it is interesting and i will look further into that but i still think that certain fats are bad for us IF we have high colesterol if it was not then we can eat curry and nan breads every day and pizza etc and not worrie about our weight and our hearts etc

Also note in a previous post i said that ANYTHING IN MODERATION WONT HARM US
 
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therutz said:
as i say my wife has been told she has a high 7.5 colesterol level and has been told to take a health test at the doctors (she has yet to do) and she has been to change her diet

She eats a lot of red meat and pot noodles and crap like that that have sat fats in them all
now if they were not bad why would a doctor who has been to school collage and uni to get that degree say that ,,,, just for giggles i suppose and to wind my wife up and think she is not well i suppose??
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The key word here is 'moderation'. Reality is you *need* fat in your diet, just because your wife has been stuffing her face with them doesn't mean they're 'bad' in any quantity. Obviously stuffing your face with **** foods containing high amounts of saturated fats is bad, eating a diet that contains some fat isn't - in fact its perfectly healthy.
 
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