Christian Unions at UK Universities

Koalaboy said:
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Belief isn't free thought ?
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Not really, I don't think that you could ever call christianity "free thinking".

Anything which tells you what to believe with no basis in logic or proof is hardly free thinking.

Would you classify scientology as being free thinking? I personally don't see any real difference between scientology and pretty much any other organised religion.
 
ringo747 said:
The OP is such a tool. I think it is him that has issues.

I am a Christian but I never went to CU in my college. Normally it is for those people who don't want to party every night but still desire some social interaction. I found they have nothing to do with religion and nobody cares what you believe. They might have a little watered down message about God but then it's all just the parties/house parties.

I don't think they lack any social interaction skills and out of all the other Christians I know there are some seriously cool people, some beautiful women and there are not many differences other than beliefs and lifestyle. To say that your beliefs have a bearing on your social aptitudes is just deluded.
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The CU at my Uni was purely full of Christians who went out partying every night. One of their main goals was to organise evenings out, and to invite their non Christian friends along. At sometime during the event, there would be a 5 minute speech about God in an attempt to try and convert the guests. Also they did the same stuff though free bread and cheese lunches.

Two of my friends from the CU were pretty moronic. Both were strongly anti evolutionists, claiming very devoutly that Evolution isnt real and is just a theory. One of them got seriously offended on two occasions where I said 'Oh God!' as a figure of speech which I pretty much always do, and went mad and starting yelling things along the lines of 'Excuse me what do you think you are saying? I dont think you should be using that word at all if you are an Atheist and dont believe in God'.

They were mostly pretty lunatic and crazy people. One of them managed to invite me to the CU on one occasion because she was giving a presentation about her field trip teaching poor kids in Africa (I thought aw bless, I'll go along). As soon as I got to the CU thing, everyone was over the top unbelievably friendly, like psychiatrists pretending to be super nice, and it all seemed very surreal and almost cult like. They tried to make me pray, and I never went back.

Also these was a creationism vs evolution debate that I attended too. At the end of it, pretty much the entire CU was swarming around the Creationist speaker, trying to ask him questions and getting his autograph.
 
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Koalaboy said:
Wait... so I am only freely thinking, if I'm thinking in a way people tell me to ?

:eek:
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You are a free thinker if you are open to different ways of thinking of things. You would not say that you believed in god or didn't as there is no definitive proof for either. If you based your views on what the more likely answer was then you would probably err more towards the side of atheism.

I don't see how you can be a free thinker and accept more than a tiny part of christianity.
 
dowie said:
in an imaginary person (Jesus) who is there for them.
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You do know Jesus was real right? He's documented existence extends far beyond the Bible. Whether you believe him to be the son of God, God the fater and the spirit, the trinity, the devine, is up to you, but he is far from imaginary. Perhaps this is where you are going wrong?
 
Lucero said:
You do know Jesus was real right? He's documented existence extends far beyond the Bible. Whether you believe him to be the son of God, God the fater and the spirit, the trinity, the divine, is up to you, but he is far from imaginary. Perhaps this is where you are going wrong?
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A lot of people were disagree with you for many reasons.
As far as I known, from not that much research. All the documents were from 80+ years after his existence, not from even a secondary source but from word of mouth.
 
Lucero said:
You do know Jesus was real right? He's documented existence extends far beyond the Bible. Whether you believe him to be the son of God, God the fater and the spirit, the trinity, the devine, is up to you, but he is far from imaginary. Perhaps this is where you are going wrong?
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Most stories that have survived the test of time had some basis in reality at one point but that doesn't have any bearing on their relevance to fact. There is nothing to support the idea of god and the miracles attributed to jesus other than religious text.

If I wrote a book about steven fry and his marvelous abilty to move the stars. The fact that he lived doesn't discount the fact that nothing I wrote was in any way true.
 
rypt said:
I love the "street pastors" we get here who hang about outside nightclubs and give you free coffee :D
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I know some people who do Town Pastor stuff, seems like a good thing to me. They've told me some tales of lads seemingly targeting obviously-wrecked girls at chucking out time. If they help those girls get into taxis and away home, then good on 'em.
 
Oh dear God! Not another thread on whether Jesus was actually real :D

Oh hell no, please dont burn me in flames for using God's name to express dismay :(

Jesus Christ! oh, damn, for the love of God .....

Lucero said:
You do know Jesus was real right? He's documented existence extends far beyond the Bible.?
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Which documents exactly and can I read them online?
 
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chaosdestro0 said:
Yes it is, you can't really be a free thinker and be a theist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Free thought encompasses atheists, agnostics etc..
Pretty much anything non-theist, arguably including pantheits and deists.
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it most certainly doesn't include atheists then.

It's either includes both atheists and theists or it includes neither, as both are purely belief based.
 
You can be a free thinker and believe in the idea of God as a Deist IMO, but you cant be a free thinker and blindly follow whichever religion your parents taught you while you were growing up.

Following blind faith and / or religious authority =/= free thought.
 
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nicks3607 said:
I know some people who do Town Pastor stuff, seems like a good thing to me. They've told me some tales of lads seemingly targeting obviously-wrecked girls at chucking out time. If they help those girls get into taxis and away home, then good on 'em.
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Bah, **** blocks. If they can't get any, nobody can! :mad:



;)
 
bhavv said:
You can be a free thinker and believe in the idea of God as a Deist IMO, but you cant be a free thinker and blindly follow whichever religion your parents taught you while you were growing up.

Following blind faith and / or religious authority =/= free thought.
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Better, much much better....:)

Blind faith is never a rational or cognitive position. People must validate their faith from a personal perspective. Religious authority would depend on the religion and the beliefs and personal validations of their faith the follower has considered to take that position.

A favourite quote of mine:


buddha said:
"Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true."
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sums it up nicely.
 
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