Who here believes in UFO'S?

[sven256]

Is it practical for inter-stellar travel rather than inter planetary travel, there are the options of generational ships, or that Aliens have significantly longer lifespans or that they have some way of altering the fabric of space in some way, wormholes and such like.

I would like to hear more about the practical applications of propulsion that you mention?

I did not mention any propulsion method, the propulsion method is irrelevant. It's just a matter of getting up to faster speeds, this is when the dilation effect kicks in, and the faster you go the greater the effect.

http://www.roletohit.com/MRD/MRD/Future/Traveler_Science/Realistic_Space_Travel/Time_Dilation.htm

 

[Surfer]

Yes sorry i slightly miss read.

It's your posting style of keep asking probing questions, in an attempt to put people down.

"slightly" misread??? uhh lol ok. The way you have acted is a bit like how the Daily Fail do outlandish full spreads of rubbish proclaiming all sorts of guff (not caring whose character is impunged) and then when they are shown to be false accusations and complete rubbish they...print a retraction in super small font in a small corner page 23. So yeah slightly misread.....indeed.


Regarding Castiel's apparent question style.....

Note he only directed this at Bhaav. So no he didnt attempt to put "people" (note: plural not singular) down. If Castiel used the same "heavy handness" with most or all people he discusses with then yes you would have a point.

But you know...i dont think he does.

He wants to elicit the truth of what Bhaav is about........ to show the true character of Bhaav....whether he is someone who just makes stuff up trolling for giggles... or whether there is actual substance behind what he says....

As far as i am concerned Castiel has already done this in this thread using rational argument.

 

[Glaucus]

I did not mention any propulsion method, the propulsion method is irrelevant. It's just a matter of getting up to faster speeds, this is when the dilation effect kicks in, and the faster you go the greater the effect.

http://www.roletohit.com/MRD/MRD/Future/Traveler_Science/Realistic_Space_Travel/Time_Dilation.htm

Haven't you got it the wrong way round though,a space ship travelling at light speed travels for 4 years, the people on board have aged 4 years and experienced 4 years, but people on earth would. Of experienced thousands of years.

 

[bhavv]

God and religion are not the same thing.

And I have made it very clear to you several times that I do not believe in the religious ideas of God, and in any such case where I have stated disbelief in God, it was purely from the definition given by any religion in this world.

So you dismiss all philosophical evidence and propositions?

So you do only go by empirical evidence?

Make your mind up.

Science has a lot of theories and knowledge that are not empirical, but not philosophical either, such as Evolution for one, which can very well explain how life which already exists may develop on other habitable planets.

You really dont know what you are talking about on a lot of things.

Anyway Bhavv, let us drop this as we obviously disagree and most people want to discuss UFO's rather than our relative positions on acceptance of evidence and hypotheses.

Well feel free to grow up and stop following and quoting every post I make for the sole purpose of having more arguments with me you joker.

Bhaav it seems uses a different logical rulebook...i think he just scribbles in it what he likes

No, I have said 4 times at least now that I do not believe in any of the theological Gods from any of the worlds religions. If you read any of my posts about God and Religion, they are always about my denunciation of Religion and its definition of God, which is precisely what Atheism is - A lack of belief in the idea of God as a Deity.

He wants to elicit the truth of what Bhaav is about........ to show the true character of Bhaav....whether he is someone who just makes stuff up trolling for giggles... or whether there is actual substance behind what he says....

As far as i am concerned Castiel has already done this in this thread using rational argument.

And why exactly are both you and Castiel so obsessed over my refusal to believe in Religion, or the Religious definitions of God?

As far as i am concerned Castiel has already done this in this thread using rational argument.

According to that, as far as I am concerned, neither you nor Castiel understand a thing about rational argument.

 

[Castiel]

I did not mention any propulsion method, the propulsion method is irrelevant. It's just a matter of getting up to faster speeds, this is when the dilation effect kicks in, and the faster you go the greater the effect.

http://www.roletohit.com/MRD/MRD/Future/Traveler_Science/Realistic_Space_Travel/Time_Dilation.htm

I understand how time dilation works.

However I was referring to the practical application, for example our nearest star is 4.24 light years away if I remember correctly, at the speed of light it would take 4 years to reach this star, but how practical is that to actually do?

Outside of role-playing games of course.

 

[Glaucus]

4 years not a chance,in one life time very practical.
Nuclear propulsion namely the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Daedalus although there are two other designs. Rated at 5-10% speed of life so roughly 40-80 years flight time.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

There's probably stuff in the sky which we can't explain so yes I suppose UFOs do 'exist' in that sense. For those UFOs to become super magic space-faring ALIENS I want something better than a crappy pixelated out of focus black and white shot or some even worse footage.

 

[Castiel]

Science has a lot of theories and knowledge that are not empirical, but not philosophical either, such as Evolution for one, which can very well explain how life which already exists may develop on other habitable planets.[

You really dont know what you are talking about on a lot of things.

Evolution has no empirical basis?

And I don't know what I am talking about!!!

And why exactly are both you and Castiel so obsessed over my refusal to believe in Religion, or the Religious definitions of God?

I fully accept and respect your disbelief in religion or God or anything for that matter, it is only the way in which you express that disbelief that I find a little hard to stomach.

A little mutual respect (and I include myself in that) would not go amiss is all Bhavv.

According to that, as far as I am concerned, neither you nor Castiel understand a thing about rational argument.

I understand rational supported argument very well thank-you.

 

[bhavv]

Evolution has no empirical basis?

Most parts do, one species evolving into two seperate ones however arguably doesnt. Does the Big Bang Theory have any Empirical evidence? Or Pantheism?

I understand rational supported argument very well thank-you.

Yet you really dont use them very well.

I fully accept and respect your disbelief in religion or God or anything for that matter, it is only the way in which you express that disbelief that I find a little hard to stomach.

A little mutual respect (and I include myself in that) would not go amiss is all Bhavv.

I dont need to respect religion nor its claims that a theistic deity based God is real under the following universal definition of God:

God is the English name given to a singular being in theistic and deistic religions (and other belief systems) who is either the sole deity in monotheism, or a single deity in polytheism.

You do not believe in such a God either, so yes you are an Atheist too regardless of however you choose to label yourself.

 

[Surfer]

And I have made it very clear to you several times that I do not believe in the religious ideas of God,

The religious idea of God? Explain?

No, I have said 4 times at least now that I do not believe in any of the theological Gods from any of the worlds religions. If you read any of my posts about God and Religion, they are always about my denunciation of Religion and its definition of God, which is precisely what Atheism is - A lack of belief in the idea of God as a Deity.

So hold on a minute you dont have a problem with God its religion you have the beef with? So you do accept the logical possibility of God: a deity if you like...same as you accept the logical possibility of life on another planets yeah?

And why exactly are both you and Castiel so obsessed over my refusal to believe in Religion, or the Religious definitions of God?

Quote me where i said that? thanks. Otherwise you are just putting words in my mouth.....hrmm straw man much?

 

[Glaucus]

Also just found this,

May I suggest reading the Chapter “You can get Here from There” in my new book “Flying Saucers and Science”. The author has ignored the Nerva and Phoebus nuclear rocket engines for upper stages and the D-He-3 fusion reaction to provide 10million times as much energy per particle as in chemical systems.See John Luce and John Hilton paper. Far more efficient than Orion. Soviets have
operated 3 dozen nuclear reactors in space for electricity production. At 1G it only takes a year to get to near c.

But can't seem to find any simple speeds for such rockets.

 

[ojrules]

swamp gas init

 

[sven256]

Haven't you got it the wrong way round though,a space ship travelling at light speed travels for 4 years, the people on board have aged 4 years and experienced 4 years, but people on earth would. Of experienced thousands of years.

I'm correct and so are you, as you have said in effect the same thing but worded differently.

You have said someone traveling in a ship for 4 year and 10,000 of years have passed on earth.

I have said 4 years has passed on earth and say 2 minutes has passed on the ship.

Which is the same thing.

But that 10,000 years is in effect 10,000 light years to the observer on earth, but its only taken the 4 years for person on the ship.

 

[Glaucus]

But That doesn't help astronaughts as they still have to live for years to get anywhere, whhich is what you suggested isn't it.

 

[mithrandir]

Of course UFOs exist. I also believe extraterrestrial life forms exist. It's just not possible we're the only lifeform in this galaxy and universe.

Damn, if only stargates exists. Just waiting for the day a scientist stumbles across ultralightstar travel.

 

[Castiel]

Most parts do, one species evolving into two seperate ones however arguably doesnt. Does the Big Bang Theory have any Empirical evidence? Or Pantheism?

Well pantheism is a philosophical position and as such doesn't require scientific evidence, however you made the analogy that Evolution is not based on empirical (scientific) evidence and observation, when it clearly is.

The same is also true of the Big Bang:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Yet you really dont use them very well.

Only in your opinion, which forgive me for saying is not the most reliable.

 

[bhavv]

The religious idea of God? Explain?


So hold on a minute you dont have a problem with God its religion you have the beef with? So you do accept the logical possibility of God: a deity if you like...same as you accept the logical possibility of life on another planets yeah?

Explained in the edit for you mr. smartass, and no as I said time and time and time again in many many many replies to you in several threads on this forum, I do not believe in the ILLOGICAL possibility of a DEITY based GOD as defined by ANY of the worlds RELIGIONS.

Now can you use that organ in between your ears called a brain and understand that for once? No, I suppose you cant due to how illogical and irrational you are.

 

[Greenlizard0]

Apart from the fact you've just put him down, what makes yours any more so your majesty?

 

[bhavv]

Well pantheism is a philosophical position and as such doesn't require scientific evidence, however you made the analogy that Evolution is not based on empirical (scientific) evidence and observation, when it clearly is.

The same is also true of the Big Bang:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Then the same is also true of the concept of life on other planets.

Quote me where i said that? thanks. Otherwise you are just putting words in my mouth.....hrmm straw man much?

I think its blatantly obvious with every reply you've made to me in this thread. If you arent bothered about what I believe, then stop replying to me now maybe? Hmmm, no, I am just far too important to you for some reason that you just cant stop replying to everything I say.

And why dont you feel free to follow your own advice?

Anyway Bhavv, let us drop this as we obviously disagree and most people want to discuss UFO's rather than our relative positions on acceptance of evidence and hypotheses.

Feel free to drop it at any time and stop getting so bothered over my opinions. I didnt ask you to start replying to every post I made in this or any other thread, you do that entirely because you want to troll and flamebait others.

 

[sven256]

But That doesn't help astronaughts as they still have to live for years to get anywhere, whhich is what you suggested isn't it.

I don't think you are quite getting it.

Say someone on earth is watching light travel to alpha centauri it would take 4.2 years. But if you are on a space ship traveling at very close to the speed of light, it may only take you 1 hour. But 4.2 years has still passed on earth, but the man in the ship only 1 hour has passed.

So if you can get up to those speeds, you can travel quite far in our galaxy.


The above figures are not accurate before anyone points that out.