Campaign against dazzling bi-xenons launched

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I really hope something gets done about these. We can't keep making brighter and brighter headlights and assuming that it'll make things better. Dazzling other drivers is a real problem with modern headlights, even when correctly adjusted. I think there should be a legal Lux limit on headlight brightness.
 
hummmm - so this is people fitting the HID bulb to a reflector based headlight? Not people fitting HID bulbs to projector based headlights?


If so... I agree it's a ******** in the arse and I want to smash their face in, then they go one further an put them in fog and spot lamps :rolleyes:
 
I'm not sure what specifically they are campaigning against. I think it's just bright lights, really, as HIDs are not just bi-xenon headlights, and they seem to be using the terms interchangeably.

This sort of stuff really riles me:
The law states vehicle lights must not be used in a way that dazzle other road users. Not surprising when one considers that dazzling headlights accounted for 365 road traffic accidents in 2009, three of them ending in the loss of life
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Seriously? Three people? Sure it's a tragedy, but three deaths from anything in a population of 60,000,000 with half as many vehicles is basically nothing. It's 0.1% of road deaths, and you can be almost certain that they all involved the use of high-beam, which even on halogen is far more dazzling than any low beam xenon.
 
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theone91 said:
Even the ones fitted as standard from factory or the after market HIDs ?
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Looks like im not the only one left confused after another cutting edge BBC article.

The ones form the factory have auto leveling and there's MOT requirements for xenon cars. Think this campaings going to be dead in the water because they've no idea what thier end goal is or what they're against
 
Correctly fitted Xenon's really don't dazzle more than any other light.
Those with badly fitted (at the factory) or aftermarket HID's are the ones causing all the trouble.

I've just got factory fitted Xenon's for the first time and they are amazing - no way I'll ever go back to standard lighting again.

*Hopes there is a campaign against this campaign*
 
Muffin` said:
The ones form the factory have auto leveling and there's MOT requirements for xenon cars. Think this campaings going to be dead in the water because they've no idea what thier end goal is or what they're against
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Auto-levelling helps but it doesn't solve the problem. Our roads are neither perfectly flat, nor perfectly smooth, that means that these lights still dazzle other cars when cresting hills or hitting bumps.
 
PMKeates said:
I'm not sure what specifically they are campaigning against. I think it's just bright lights, really, as HIDs are not just bi-xenon headlights, and they seem to be using the terms interchangeably.

This sort of stuff really riles me:Seriously? Three people? Sure it's a tragedy, but three deaths from anything in a population of 60,000,000 with half as many vehicles is basically nothing. It's 0.1% of road deaths, and you can be almost certain that they all involved the use of high-beam, which even on halogen is far more dazzling than any low beam xenon.
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Death by eating ice cream while driving probably kills more people, i tell you this country is in trouble for whining twits.
 
Mr Jack said:
I'm amazed that anyone who's ever driven a car at night can hold this view. It's so clearly untrue.
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They're more dazzling than tea light reflectors, but not by much, helps not to look into the beam. HID bulbs in reflectors however are utterly ridiculous.
 
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I'm amazed that anyone who's ever driven a car at night can hold this view. It's so clearly untrue.
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Well what do you do stare into oncoming lights till you are dazzled?

I bet you dont like people holding their foot on the brake in an auto at traffic lights either do you :)
 
The is nothing wrong with factory fitted Xenons, it’s not as if he gets blinded in well-lit London streets. Maybe the 60 year old Mr Taking the P should get his eyes tested after working the night streets for 38 years.
 
Get a car with auto dipping rear view mirrors then and don't look directly at oncoming cars headlights, that's unless you're a moth.

I'm also confused by the monkey news reporters reference to bi-xenon's, does she only have an issue with Gas Discharge kits which feature high / low in one unit?
 
Mr Jack said:
Auto-levelling helps but it doesn't solve the problem. Our roads are neither perfectly flat, nor perfectly smooth, that means that these lights still dazzle other cars when cresting hills or hitting bumps.
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With auto-leveling the effects should be momentary, and 'misaligned' lamps (because of genuine misalignment or because of hills/bumps) are a problem with halogen equipped cars, too, it's just the xenon is that bit brighter.

As you read in the article, it's probably the fact that this taxi driver spends all of his time driving at night and is crossing beyond 60 years old that the problem appears to be getting much worse.
 
It's a shame that the campaign is so close and yet so far. They aren't actually going to get anything changed by this, if they had gone after the already illegal fitting of HIDs in reflector lenses then they actually could have done some good.
 
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'm also confused by the monkey news reporters reference to bi-xenon's, does she only have an issue with Gas Discharge kits which feature high / low in one unit?
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I always find it amusing when the news reports on something that I have a detailed understanding of, as virtually always, it's misreported. Makes you think - everything you read that you don't understand, and that you take for gospel, is probably misreported too...

Just taken a look at his website, http://www.lightmare.org/

Daytime Running Lights (DRL) - the EU set a brightness 1,200cd to compete with the sun
( the Japanese Government proposed a more acceptable 200cd = like bright sidelights
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So European DRLs are competing with the sun? Oooooookkkkkkk
 
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I have noticed this much more in the last few weeks. My old car had some kind of special rear view mirror that dimmed lights coming from the rear and was high enough that oncoming traffic was not often a problem.

In the new car which is much lower, every other drivers lights seem to be at just the right height to shine me in the eyes not only that but I have certainly noticed far more out of alignment lights shining me in the eyes than ever before. :(

Still its the price you pay I guess... I plan to just join the club... if you can't beat them, join them and all that.
 
Never had a problem with proper Xenons (projectors, etc.). Yes I've seen the odd pleb with a HID kit in their Saxo's reflector lights, but that's just them being 'tards.

Don't get why the hate is against bi-xenons though.... surely the only time the high-beam (the bi part) is on is when there's no other car's around!?
 
Westyfield2 said:
Never had a problem with proper Xenons (projectors, etc.). Yes I've seen the odd pleb with a HID kit in their Saxo's reflector lights, but that's just them being 'tards.

Don't get why the hate is against bi-xenons though.... surely the only time the high-beam (the bi part) is on is when there's no other car's around!?
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I think as someone said above the reported is an even bigger idiot than the Saxo HID mahoosive.
 
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