Bristol Riots

And yet again Atrpx, you prove you have not even managed to read my most recent post, let alone my others. I'm going to hazard a guess that you haven't even read a single article about what happened either, but are just jumping to conclusions to 'stick up for your own'. Way to try and change attitudes.
 
MotherMayI said:
. Right, so riot gear makes sense - In reasonable numbers. Not 200.
3. I am suggesting that a smaller force of police officers would have done the job a huge amount more effeciently than an army of riot police and it would not of ended in a riot.
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Maybe because around 13 months ago, the police had to deal with a similar problem with far less resources - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/8570076.stm

This time they went in with plenty of resources due to the level of resistance they encountered last time. The squatters set the resistance level 12 months ago so this, together with other intel available meant that 200 officers was an appropriate response.

Blaming the police for putting so many cops in this time is just stupid considering the problems they faced last time with less cops.... Are you REALLY going to disagree on this fact now?
 
MotherMayI said:
And yet again you prove you have not even managed to read my most recent post, let alone my others. I'm going to hazard a guess that you haven't even read a single article about what happened either, but are just jumping to conclusions to 'stick up for your own'. Way to try and change attitudes.
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You're assuming. Now why don't you jog on or do you want to tell the class all about how you think, with your vast knowledge of dealing with and being involved in public order situations, how it should have been done.

Oh wait....
 
MotherMayI said:
2. Right, so riot gear makes sense - In reasonable numbers. Not 200.
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Why do people whinging about the police always get angry when the police use large numbers of officers. It's safer for everybody if the police have control of the situation, why on earth does it matter if they use more officers than you deem neccesary? Are you just sobbing because you think it's unfair?
 
Pinkribbonscars said:
Why do people whinging about the police always get angry when the police use large numbers of officers. It's safer for everybody if the police have control of the situation, why on earth does it matter if they use more officers than you deem neccesary? Are you just sobbing because you think it's unfair?
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It's oppression by the state man!
 
Atrox Moris said:
You're assuming. Now why don't you jog on or do you want to tell the class all about how you think, with your vast knowledge of dealing with and being involved in public order situations, how it should have been done.

Oh wait....
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I am not assuming. Your utter lack of understanding of what happened or what I have said proves it. Either that, or you're even more moronic than you have demonstrated in your last few posts - Which would be really quite something.
 
Oi, how about answering my questions MMI? :p

1. I argued you were wrong when its nothing to do with Tesco
2. I argued you were wrong about 200 cops in riot gear being heavy handed.

You'll see those posts a bit further up ^^^


Edit: Actually sod it, I am off to bed...
 
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It really is amazing the excuses people will make for violent thuggery, or the lengths people will go to to try and claim that the police shouldn't prevent violence, damage to property etc by a small minority of ignorant ***** who think they represent something other than rampant idiocy.
 
Richie said:
Oi, how about answering my questions MMI? :p

1. I argued you were wrong when its nothing to do with Tesco
2. I argued you were wrong about 200 cops in riot gear being heavy handed.

You'll see those posts a bit further up ^^^


Edit: Actually sod it, I am off to bed...
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I didn't see them. Honestly, I'm pretty bored of this thread entirely - Its just going around in circles with nobody seeming to read anything I say and just assume its "LOL SOCIALIST HIPPY BS SOAP DODGER", etc. I'm not even condoning anything, just putting forward a different point of view.. Again a concept that seems to escape a few of our more simple minded forumites.

1. Er, what? I don't even know what you're trying to say here. It was nothing to do with Tesco's. That is true. Tesco's was attacked as a target of opportunity by people after months of rising tensions relating to it.

2. There was no need for it. You do not need 200 police to conduct a house search. The knee jerk local reaction was a direct consequence of the tactics employed by the police. Regardless, it is not so much the scale that I was refering to as heavy handed as their behaviour - Before any violence had started they were seen pushing people over, hitting people with batons, etc. The police obviously have a responsiblity to the public to ensure their safety - Their actions did the direct opposite and seem to make very little sense given the reasoning behind the operation.
 
MotherMayI said:
I am not assuming. Your utter lack of understanding of what happened or what I have said proves it. Either that, or you're even more moronic than you have demonstrated in your last few posts - Which would be really quite something.
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I understand what happened perfectly. It's been well reported and documented (the joys of modern technology). And as I know for a fact that I've been in more public order situations than you will ever see, I know exactly how Bristol went. I know how the police work in those situations and I (and many like me who are involved in such scenarios) know exactly how to fight back. You know absolutely nothing.

You on the other hand are the archetypal British socialist student. They came out in their droves during the fees protest and got their little adrenalin rush during that. Of course there where similar accusations of police heavy handedness about those protests (you on the other hand took to calling people idiots in the thread about identifying student protestors) and now there's another disturbance in Bristol you're waving the flag like it's a victory against the state (I mean, what better to fight against the state than Michael Jackson's Beat it, it's quite a moment, right?).
 
RDM said:
Lets make the assumption that the petrol bomb thing was true (and as people have been charged with offenses in that direction it certainly looks possible. Unless you are also accusing the police of fabricating evidence?). What response would you like the police to take? Send a couple of beat officers in and ask the squatters to kindly not throw them?
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Let me play devil's avocado for a second...

Assume the squat has no mains electricity, the power company probably cut off the power a long time ago.

A petrol genny would be a handy way of getting electricity, so a jerry can full of petrol wouldn't really an unexpected thing to see in a squat.

If a few empty beer or wine bottles were in the house also, it would be interesting to know if this would be enough evidence for you to be arrested?

Saying that, there was a fire engine pretty near Ashley Road at the time of the riot, so I'm not saying the whole petrol bomb thing was a fabrication by the police...
 
Atrox Moris said:
You on the other hand are the archetypal British socialist student. They came out in their droves during the fees protest and got their little adrenalin rush during that. Of course there where similar accusations of police heavy handedness about those protests (you on the other hand took to calling people idiots in the thread about identifying student protestors) and now there's another disturbance in Bristol you're waving the flag like it's a victory against the state (I mean, what better to fight against the state than Michael Jackson's Beat it, it's quite a moment, right?).
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And again you prove that you have not read my posts. Should I spell it out for you again? Hell, I'll use some nice big font in bold just so someone as simple as yourself can understand:

I am not a student.

Nor was I at any of the student protests. But keep jumping to half baked conclusions and stereotyping - Its the bread and butter of your trade.
 
MotherMayI said:
And again you prove that you have not read my posts. Should I spell it out for you again? Hell, I'll use some nice big font in bold just so someone as simple as yourself can understand:

I am not a student.

Nor was I at any of the student protests. But keep jumping to half baked conclusions and stereotyping - Its the bread and butter of your trade.
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I have read your posts and your sympathies regarding dossers... I mean "squatters". See everything you post in this thread: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18200828

You claim not to be a student. If true it's not long since you've been one since you're full of the socialist student ****** cliches. And google search turns up all your student/uni postings.

As for jumping to conclusions and stereotyping.... you mean like every conclusion you jumped to regarding police operational procedures you have absolute no knowledge about and the stereotyping that all police are scum and your scummy ****ing squatter mates are angels? Whatever.
 
Pestilence said:
I like all of the reference to "colourful" graffiti; wait, I mean "street art". Just tags everywhere. The place looks like a slum.
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Atrox Moris said:
Don't be saying that. MotherMayI is into his graffiti and might take offence. Clearly the area is of important artistic significance.
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Actually, I think it looks great. There is load of impressive street art down the way, I like the new Prince of Wales paint job :)
 
MotherMayI said:
And again you prove that you have not read my posts. Should I spell it out for you again? Hell, I'll use some nice big font in bold just so someone as simple as yourself can understand:

I am not a student.

Nor was I at any of the student protests. But keep jumping to half baked conclusions and stereotyping - Its the bread and butter of your trade.
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April 2nd 2011 :

MotherMayI said:
I'm just about to finish a degree in Bristol and currently weighing up my choices for after I graduate. I intend on doing an MA, assuming I get offered a place that is worth taking on one of the courses that I am after, but I am getting increasingly tempted to apply abroad - Nameless in Paris and Berlin.

Just wondering if anyone here has any experience of stuying abroad, especially at post-graduate level, and wondering what their experience was etc. I'm a bit lost to be honest, so any pointers would be great :D
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Sounds like a student to me
 
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