Can we have a sub-forum for religious discussion please?

Morba · 25 Apr 2011 at 11:06

LOAM said:
If everything in gd gets it's own subforum, what is left in gd?

Agree with this. Some of the suggestions for content earlier would break down GD quite a bit. If that is what some people want then maybe they are in the wrong place to start with

As for current suggestions for names: 'The Sin Bin' sounds the best, if they are allowed a non specific name like he rest of the forums

Tefal · 25 Apr 2011 at 11:06

Robbo said:
Do you get annoyed whenever you see an actual church, too?

No, but then a church is a Christian building.

A subforum meant for the discussion of religion and philosophy named after a Christian place of worship would be ever so slightly odd don't you think?

The atheists, agnostics and ignostitics have just as much a share in it as the Christians should so such a partisan name seems odd.

Tefal · 25 Apr 2011 at 11:09

Morba said:
Agree with this. Some of the suggestions for content earlier would break down GD quite a bit. If that is what some people want then maybe they are in the wrong place to start with

yeah it's a shame, though i only found out there was a cooking sub forum when my thread got moved, i just thought the trend of cooking threads had died out.

which is all i can see being achieved from this, you make a forum dump every lol Muslims thread in there as it's made that way people don't make 5 threads for everyone deleted as would happen with stricter moderation in gd, and after a little while everyone stops bothering to check it and it all slowly died.

of course you'll never get serious discussion in there as the only posters would be the small core group of extremists from all sides.

wannabedamned · 25 Apr 2011 at 11:10

lol, You may aswell call it the Mosque

DONS I DARE YA!

Tefal · 25 Apr 2011 at 11:13

wannabedamned said:
lol, You may aswell call it the Mosque DONS I DARE YA!

hehehe.

While we're renaming things can the box office forum be renamed "Everything EastEnders"

Dave M · 25 Apr 2011 at 11:17

My thoughts:

A sub-forum would give an undeserved status to religion on what is a secular forum.

It may attract even more extreme religious views (including atheism) than we already suffer.

It would be impossible to moderate.

ps. Hope you had a good chocolate egg day

Nitefly · 25 Apr 2011 at 11:20

Morba said:
Agree with this. Some of the suggestions for content earlier would break down GD quite a bit. If that is what some people want then maybe they are in the wrong place to start with

Indeed, it's just common sense where thread should go. I recently started a thread on the importance of space travel, which clearly could have been as technical and economic as anyone wanted to make it and could have belonged in SC. However, I made it clear that it was mostly just for some fun and was just interested in the general consensus and all posts that followed went down that line.

Also, there was the recent weight loss thread that rightfully stayed in GD when general advice was offered rather than technical sports advice from the sports forum.

The GD / SC split has always worked and will continue to work. However posters need to be less tetchy, less trolly and, most importantly I think, less pedant about everything. I'm not one that frequently posts in those sorts of threads anyway so that is probably influencing my reluctance to say it's necessary. However this recent trend has seemed to make things drier on here than a sand sandwich.

Bloomin' heck it's like a soap opera isn't it?

Nitefly · 25 Apr 2011 at 11:23

Telescopi said:
My thoughts:

A sub-forum would give an undeserved status to religion on what is a secular forum.

It may attract even more extreme religious views (including atheism) than we already suffer.

It would be impossible to moderate.

ps. Hope you had a good chocolate egg day

I totally agree, but you could appease the, errrrm, 'masses' by just adding to the Speaker's Corner subtitle 'debate newsworth, religious and philosophical issues'.

That would leave the balance as it is and give people what they want. Bargain instant solution!

Hope you had a good day yourself

Morba · 25 Apr 2011 at 11:25

SA and GD is a good example tbh

Nitefly · 25 Apr 2011 at 11:26

Morba said:
SA and GD is a good example tbh

Perhaps unintentional, I'm pretty sure I meant speaker's corner for the most part

Tefal · 25 Apr 2011 at 11:27

Nitefly said:
That would leave the balance as it is and give people what they want. Bargain instant solution!

that's not really what people want though.

looking though this an the other threads thee are

a) people who want to be able to post anything on religion with no backtalk from unbelievers or doubters.

b) people who just want all the "lol religion" posts gone but also want the religion posts gone too.

C) people who just don't care.

toon_mad · 25 Apr 2011 at 11:47

reiligion is everywhere, we dont need a dedicated forum for it for people to brainwash one another

semi-pro waster · 25 Apr 2011 at 11:51

Tefal said:
that's not really what people want though.

looking though this an the other threads thee are

a) people who want to be able to post anything on religion with no backtalk from unbelievers or doubters.

b) people who just want all the "lol religion" posts gone but also want the religion posts gone too.

C) people who just don't care.

I think I'm in a whole different category then.

d) I'm interested to hear the views of both believers and unbelievers as well as sceptics but I'd like people to show a bit of respect for the viewpoints of others.

However whether this requires a new sub-forum, a rebranding of an existing one or simply more stringent moderation regarding the disrespect I've got no strong feelings about.

LOAM · 25 Apr 2011 at 11:55

toon_mad said:
reiligion is everywhere, we dont need a dedicated forum for it for people to brainwash one another

It's that attitude that is being discussed, your not brainwashed when you turn to god/faith, it's a personal decision. The fact that you are happy without it doesn't make you more intellegent or better than someone who has.

Cosimo · 25 Apr 2011 at 11:55

This all over again:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18265180

SC is perfectly suitable for handling this sort of discussion.

Tefal · 25 Apr 2011 at 11:56

I think I'm in a whole different category then.

d) I'm interested to hear the views of both believers and unbelievers as well as sceptics but I'd like people to show a bit of respect for the viewpoints of others.

You're already catered for then, with SC a religious sub forum is unnecessary.

However whether this requires a new sub-forum, a rebranding of an existing one or simply more stringent moderation regarding the disrespect I've got no strong feelings about.

that's covered by the don't care (might have been unclear was talking about the creation of a new sub forum rather than religious discussion in general)

simply more stringent moderation regarding the disrespect I've got no strong feelings about.

that's a problem though isn't it why should peoples religious views be more protected than their political, economic, or any other counterparts?

the political threads have far more random bashing than religion let along the conspiracy theory threads they should be protected just as much as the religion threads in that case as they get a lot more disrespect.

Rainmaker · 25 Apr 2011 at 11:58

toon_mad said:
reiligion is everywhere, we dont need a dedicated forum for it for people to brainwash one another

Nobody intends to brainwash anybody; grow up. Two of the main proponents of the sub-forum aren't even religious! It's more about having someone to discuss such topics properly, and with wider scope than currently granted by GD/SC, without the trolls and idiots flaming the threads to kingdom come.

The lolmuslim stuff should just be deleted if it's a derailed original thread (jmho). That's not a topic in itself, it's trolling and derailing of someone else's thread that wasn't intended to be a lolmuslim issue. I don't see how that's comparable to our request (and my original request thread) that we have a place to sensibly and seriously discuss comparative religion, theology, spirituality, esoteric stuff etc in a dedicated and troll-proof arena.

Rainmaker · 25 Apr 2011 at 12:01

simulatorman said:
This all over again:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18265180

SC is perfectly suitable for handling this sort of discussion.

Actually this thread was nothing to do with the issue at first mate; it was the Dons who decided to resurrect the idea and change the topic title.

semi-pro waster · 25 Apr 2011 at 12:14

Tefal said:
You're already catered for then, with SC a religious sub forum is unnecessary.

that's covered by the don't care (might have been unclear was talking about the creation of a new sub forum rather than religious discussion in general)

You appeared to be describing viewpoints rather than options but ok.

Tefal said:
that's a problem though isn't it why should peoples religious views be more protected than their political, economic, or any other counterparts?

the political threads have far more random bashing than religion let along the conspiracy theory threads they should be protected just as much as the religion threads in that case as they get a lot more disrespect.

You're assuming here that I think religious views should be more protected? The answer is not really, I'd like to see more respect shown to peoples viewpoints in general - "Do not think of knocking out another person's brains because he differs in opinion from you. It would be as rational to knock yourself on the head because you differ from yourself ten years ago." Horace Mann.

By all means debate with someone, doubt their beliefs, doubt their viewpoint but express it courteously - if the best argument someone can come up with against the disagreed with position is "lolreligion", "lollabour", "you're an idiot for believing in aliens" or whatever then that person should probably be taking a look at themselves since they appear to equally be struggling with expressing a reasoned viewpoint.

Cosimo · 25 Apr 2011 at 12:19

Rainmaker said:
Actually this thread was nothing to do with the issue at first mate; it was the Dons who decided to resurrect the idea and change the topic title.

Whether a thread had a name change or an idea has been resurrected is neither here not there. That thread has a lot of relevance to what is being said in this one.