Problem is when you try portray Labour as a socialist party it shows a tendency to exaggerate or a level of ignorance which may reflect badly on anything else you may claim as truth...
Why does the english working man vote tory ???
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Problem is when you try portray Labour as a socialist party it shows a tendency to exaggerate or a level of ignorance which may reflect badly on anything else you may claim as truth...
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For many decades the working man voted Labour and Unions were always linked with Labour but it's only recently that the vote switched after years of being let down.
Unfortunately in this country these days it appears that "the normal working man" usually wants everything for nothing and will only ever do the minimum amount of work that is expected of him. In that respect I generally have no sympathy. Harsh? Maybe.
The biggest irony is during this constant pendulum swing between Labour (economic profligacy and eventual economic destruction) and Conservatives (cuts and economic repair) the richer get richer and richer. It's the poor who lose out, the same people who think the Labour party are their heroes when in fact it's the 'posh Tory scum' who are helping them out in the long run.
She was. I fully endorse the view that she was one of the greatest Prime Ministers this country has ever had. Its just cool and chic to insult and degrade her legacy, its what all the intellectual cool kids do these days
I feel sorry for her in a ways but when she has passed (as it is rarely as acceptable to hate and mock the dead) then her legacy will be appreciated.
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I think one of the main problems is that as the gap between rich and poor grows, the (for want of a better word) average gets skewed. It's human nature to want to appear successful and yet what you need to appear successful becomes more and more out of reach. In what may be an appeal to a subject close to your own heart, the more rich people you see riding around in shiny new BMWs, the more poor people you'll see buy knackered old four-pot BMWs that they can't afford to run.
It has been suggested that the effects of this are extremely damaging to society because it loads stress onto people at the bottom as they aren't able to keep up with the Joneses. This manifests itself in a few different ways - including more people resorting to crime and more people falling victim to mental illness.
Before this argument gets dismissed in the usual way, I don't want perfect equality - I'm not a communist. However I do acknowledge that the gap between rich and poor is a problem and needs to be narrowed from where we at the moment, which is an increasingly dysfunctional capitalist society.
He should have said "grow our way out of debt". BTW, I think we find out on Wednesday if we're in another recession.
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Maggie had North Sea oil and sold of the public utilities at a bargain price, she gave away all the money by cutting tiny amounts of income tax, she along with Reagan deliberately followed a path of encouraging a credit funded consumer and service lead economy while letting 'lame duck' industries fall by the way side. At the same time she forced councils to sell of their housing stock at give away prices. Basically she started the process which Blair and Brown continued to a crescendo with the financial crisis.
She did actually manage to encourage a significant amount of inward investment mainly through financial incentives because were had several EU designated special areas in those days. A couple failed such as the Fujitsu and Delorean plants, but a few survive.
Maggie got into power with the slogan 'Labour Isn't Working' plastered across billboards, when she came to power unemployment was 1m, when she left it was 4m
She was definitely not a great prime minister, she had basically no opposition but still had to go to war in the Falklands to get reelected.
The coalition have realized that they are completely in the ****, but are ploughing along regardless on a wing and a prayer.
As for the OP I'm not sure a significant proportion of voters regard themselves as working class, ironically those that do are probably unemployed and on benefits. The middle class are for the most part deluded aspirational s and hence classic Tory or New Labour fodder.
Many people fundamentally agree entirely with this point. It's political ideology and flawed economic policy in trying to tackle such issues which exacerbates things.
Do bankers need to earn ridiculous bonuses? The majority seem to think they don't but you can't then just go and slam taxes on such bonuses without risking devastating economic consequences. Intervention in the private sector can really mess things up, especially in this country where a huge proportion of tax receipts are reliant on our financial sector.
Realistically you would need to globally dis-inflate pay packages (of high paid jobs) at exactly the same rate to avoid adverse effects. It's logistically impossible.
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interesting isn't it, if we are in a 'recession' we may well get our credit rating down graded and this along with the local elections could be the beginning of the end of the coalition.
I think it will be small return to growth say 0.5%, allowing things to plod on, all the cuts so far are the easy ones (VR and early retirement) the difficult ones will come later.
Mind you I have been hearing of small firms being wound up because the state owned banks don't want the over draft liability, this last happened at the peak of the credit crunch.
We shall see.
Indeed, in my constituency they would vote for a cabbage or vanessa george if they were wearing a red rosette, and where my parents live, it's the same for the blue rosette...
The real problem is that democracy is based on a fallacy...
Really?
And what would you describe them as, oh enlightened one?
Firstly let me congratulate you on recognising my superiority on the matter.
Anyhoo, they are specifically a "social democratic" party (or "third way" if you like). These parties, like Labour, seek to reform markets under a capitalist system to make it 'nicer'. They do not seek to nationalise the means of production and abolish private property as would be required to be correctly labelled "socialist".
I will never vote Tory purely because of the way Maggie governed in the eighties.
The Tories always make things harder for the squeezed middle and easier for the fat cats. It's just that a lot of the squeezed middle are stupid and aspirational, they think they are the rich.
Well put.
Reading this thread made me loose more faith in the general public than I already had.
Some of you sound like ****** politicians.
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OP contains too much fail for me to comprehend 
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