Is PSN under attack? - PSN now back up 15/05

I only entered my card details about 2 month ago to get the cod map pack... Do i really need to ring bank and stop my card ect?

Heard about it all on radio today.
 
deSade said:
Stop this now. Console thread! :p
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You first.

deSade said:
But, and I may be wrong, aren't games consoles intended to be closed systems

If you then hack these for any reason, you've not really got a leg to stand on.
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Debatable, besides there's no reason they should be closed systems and it's not necessarily evil, just because Sony say it is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_cluster said:
this PS3 cluster performs astrophysical simulations of large supermassive black holes capturing smaller compact objects
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I'm pretty sure old school overclocking voided your warranty.

Magic_x_uk said:
when some of you have finished bickering. Any news when we may get on to psn?
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No. I'm sure the official playstation blog or twitter feed would tell you if there was.
 
deSade said:
Start a new thread then.

It isn't 'bickering', after all the thread title is 'Is PSN under attack?' - not 'When do you think PSN will be available again?'!
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The fact the last 5+ pages have just been filled with garbage is proof enough that "bickering" sums things up nicely to be honest.

a lot of people are posting information in this thread regarding the situation as it evolves and I for one want to see that info, not christ knows how many posts on what defines hacking etc.
 
Its not evil because sony said so, its evil because it opened the console up to run anything as genuine software. So games with cheats and hacks bolted on, given a genuine key. Which on a system that is primarily for gaming, Thats just not right.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/27/playstation-users-identity-theft-data-leak

"Almost every commercial site scrambles a user's password before storing it; when the user tries to log in, the password they provide is scrambled in the same way and then compared with the stored one, meaning the "plaintext" password is not available. It does not appear that Sony has done this."

Let me guess, the credit-card details were stored in a field next to "password" in plain text, along with expiry date, security code and name on card.
 
James J said:
The fact the last 5+ pages have just been filled with garbage is proof enough that "bickering" sums things up nicely to be honest.

a lot of people are posting information in this thread regarding the situation as it evolves and I for one want to see that info, not christ knows how many posts on what defines hacking etc.
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Threads evolve though! :p

And I'm hurt (;)) - it's certainly not all 'garbage', there's some good debate about the bigger picture going on here.
 
James J said:
The fact the last 5+ pages have just been filled with garbage is proof enough that "bickering" sums things up nicely to be honest.

a lot of people are posting information in this thread regarding the situation as it evolves and I for one want to see that info, not christ knows how many posts on what defines hacking etc.
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The situation isn't evolving, PSN got owned, they don't know how much data was stolen but they're pretty sure someone got your name, email, address, login details, D.O.B and potentially billing information but at the moment no confirmation that they have actual credit card details, although this could well be the cases so be on your guard, monitor your accounts. If you used a CREDIT (as opposed to DEBIT) card you may well have additional fraud protection, there's also the possibility that your bank/credit card provider are aware of the situation and they may be more vigilant than usual in monitoring for fraud indicating behaviour, that said it's up to you what precautions you want to take, you might want to contact your finance provider to discuss the situation. Anyway, it's confirmed that PSN was under attack, so the primary purpose of the thread has been served and those of us who are bickering are probably better placed to advise you.

wannabedamned said:
Its not evil because sony said so, its evil because it opened the console up to run anything as genuine software. So games with cheats and hacks bolted on, given a genuine key. Which on a system that is primarily for gaming, Thats just not right.
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To some degree I agree, I don't like cheaters any more than you do, but it's also done just for the fun of it, with no intention of cheating, it's done to add new functionality that doesn't in anyway affect your experience and it's occasionally used for scientific research. Things may have turned out better if Sony had made some attempt to communicate with the homebrew community, rather than going in heavy handed not to mention it's not even about cheating for them but about protecting their revenue, despite the unproven link between piracy and lost revenue.
 
Sydney said:
Well, technically it is, it's doing things the OEM didn't intend you to do, that's roughly the definition, what if you took someone else bios and modded it? Are you then only part hacker? Hacking isn't even limited to computers, you can hack phones, MIDI devices, printers, microwaves. It just means making something do something it's not supposed to.
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OMFG my Mums a hacker - she added sugar to the water before she watered the plants - Im damn sure they didnt mention that when I bought said plants for her...

Ive always been suspicious - thanks for pulling in the threads and making me aware

:p

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
oldbag said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/27/playstation-users-identity-theft-data-leak
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Makes some interesting points, particularly the mention that "It doesn't look as though they would have broken in directly through the PlayStation Network. Far more likely is that they breached the corporate systems and then moved through them to access this valuable data." Suggests it has nothing to do with homebrew or custom firmware allowing develop access as has been suggested, but then who says this guy knows what he's talking about?
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OMFG my Mums a hacker - she added sugar to the water before she watered the plants - Im damn sure they didnt mention that when I bought said plants for her...
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Depends who you consider the OEM of plants to be
:p

Sydney :cool:
 
Sydney said:
The situation isn't evolving, PSN got owned, they don't know how much data was stolen but they're pretty sure someone got your name, email, address, login details, D.O.B and potentially billing information but at the moment no confirmation that they have actual credit card details, although this could well be the cases so be on your guard, monitor your accounts. If you used a CREDIT (as opposed to DEBIT) card you may well have additional fraud protection, there's also the possibility that your bank/credit card provider are aware of the situation and they may be more vigilant than usual in monitoring for fraud indicating behaviour, that said it's up to you what precautions you want to take, you might want to contact your finance provider to discuss the situation. Anyway, it's confirmed that PSN was under attack, so the primary purpose of the thread has been served and those of us who are bickering are probably better placed to advise you.


To some degree I agree, I don't like cheaters any more than you do, but it's also done just for the fun of it, with no intention of cheating, it's done to add new functionality that doesn't in anyway affect your experience and it's occasionally used for scientific research. Things may have turned out better if Sony had made some attempt to communicate with the homebrew community, rather than going in heavy handed not to mention it's not even about cheating for them but about protecting their revenue, despite the unproven link between piracy and lost revenue.
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You say the situation isn't evolving but we all got told that our CC or DB card info might have been leaked just today. Theres still a lot more to go on this as well seen as who actually did it isn't known, if the CC/DB files where encrypted or not and how many of the 77 million subscribers info was taken etc.
 
Sydney said:
Like I said, Sony have had it coming, they go over the top in copy protection, they put root kits, on audio CDs. Do I need to repeat that? I think I do. They put ROOT KITS on audio CDs. They need to be punished and the only way to punish them is publicly, so quit your whining. If this is politically motivated they won't do anything with the data anyway.
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On this point, i completely agree. What SONY BGM did 6 years ago does needs addressing (ROOT KITS WTFBBQ!!!) and the only logical way to do this is to bring the psn down and stick it to SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT in 2011.


or not.
 
James J said:
You say the situation isn't evolving but we all got told that our CC or DB card info might have been leaked just today. Theres still a lot more to go on this as well seen as who actually did it isn't known, if the CC/DB files where encrypted or not and how many of the 77 million subscribers info was taken etc.
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No we still don't know if CC or DB card info was leaked and we knew it "might" have been at least two days ago. As for who did it, that'll be very obvious as soon as any of us know it, you're not going to get someone on here beating the official blog or major news outlets to the punch on that one. Again, with "how many", that's not something easily determined. As for whether or not CC/DB info was encrypted, that'll soon take precedent over our "bickering" because being the sort of people with the faculties for "bickering" we'll also know when to stop and focus on the important stuff, when that is worth doing. As it is there's nothing to know besides what has been said several times. Learn to skim, it's not hard.

oldbag said:
They appear to fail at step 1 of running a network.... and they have 77 million users.
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Yes, they were even told this a couple of months back and ignored it, this is comeuppance.
 
Sydney said:
deSade said:
But, and I may be wrong, aren't games consoles intended to be closed systems with services supplied by the manufacturer? If they choose to withdraw or modify some services - it's usually in the initial contract that they're entitled to do just that. Just like your TV supplier, your insurance company, or your bank/credit card company can do.

If you then hack these for any reason, you've not really got a leg to stand on.
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Debatable, besides there's no reason they should be closed systems and it's not necessarily evil, just because Sony say it is.
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No deSades correct, consoles are built as closed systems with defined components and particular standards - its far more acceptable use of the term than compared to you saying that overclocking is hardware hacking...

Though my reply and the multiple tangents youve gone down seems completely irrelevant to the current situation - least get back to an informed discussion on Sonys security and the ramifications of the lost data...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
oldbag said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/27/playstation-users-identity-theft-data-leak

"Almost every commercial site scrambles a user's password before storing it; when the user tries to log in, the password they provide is scrambled in the same way and then compared with the stored one, meaning the "plaintext" password is not available. It does not appear that Sony has done this."
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That's exactly what I've been saying all this time, they didn't implement basic cryptographic hashing of passwords. They couldn't even use a random number generator properly.
 
Sydney said:
No we still don't know if CC or DB card info was leaked and we knew it "might" have been at least two days ago. As for who did it, that'll be very obvious as soon as any of us know it, you're not going to get someone on here beating the official blog or major news outlets to the punch on that one. Again, with "how many", that's not something easily determined. As for whether or not CC/DB info was encrypted, that'll soon take precedent over our "bickering" because being the sort of people with the faculties for "bickering" we'll also know when to stop and focus on the important stuff, when that is worth doing. As it is there's nothing to know besides what has been said several times. Learn to skim, it's not hard.



Yes, they were even told this a couple of months back and ignored it, this is comeuppance.
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I have been skim reading Mr Pedantic....

My point was I check this thread because theres a lot more info in here than just the official blog posts, which I don't follow anyway so this thread serves the purpose for keeping me updated. If you have a problem with that, thats your issue.

Pointless arguing over trivial stuff like the definition of hacking is exactly what I just described it as... pointless.
 
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