Chiropractors calling themselves 'Dr'

shroomz said:
OP is wrong on so many levels.

3) No one who is not an M.D. will put their hand up like a kindergarden child screaming MEMEMEME! when someone is having a heart attack on an aeroplane, including PhD's and D.Phil's
EDIT - I see everything I have said has already been said :)
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Which is good. But then how many of these would correct or point out when given an upgrade or other perk that they are NOT a medical doctor?
 
frosty03 said:
I cant see how anybody can morally take advantage of this fact, although technically they are "right", and it is the staff/crew who are "wrong" in making presumptions/assumptions. The next time a phD doctor is offered an upgrade or some other "perk", I do hope they would at the same time point out they are not medically trained. If so, then i would say fair is fair.
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frosty03 said:
Which is good. But then how many of these would correct or point out when given an upgrade or other perk that they are NOT a medical doctor?
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What on earth are you on about?

The upgrades are not because people are medically trained - what about nurses? Ambulance crew? Optometrists? Dentists? Shrinks?

They're/we're given upgrades out of courtesy, and out of the assumption we travel more (fact) and earn more (fiction)!

AMEX sent me a card congratulating me on my docterate when I graduated - and increased my credit limit :p Money speaks.... (again, it's a lie I'm poor!)
 
The same could be said about optometrists, dentists, speech pathologists, Psychologists etc.

The "Doctor" thing is a really old tradition, what I would like to know is why someone with an MD can be called a Doctor but someone with a JD can't. They are Juris Doctors after all or Doctors of Law. In Latin countries like South America/Mediterranean/Central America Lawyers are called Doctors thou.
 
shroomz said:
OP is wrong on so many levels.

1) You may not have back problems, but you ask anyone who does and they will be getting help from a chiropractor
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i know people who have/have had back problems who didn't get "help" from a chiropractor.

None of these "I go to a chiropractor, I'd be done for without them!" anecdotes change the fact that:
1) Chiropractic is not evidence based treatment
2) Chiropractors often miss-represent evidence and titles in order to make themselves look like an evidence based, legitimate treatment for conditions. For quite literally hundreds of examples in the UK alone, see here.
 
dowie said:
I was always under the impression that Chiropractors were a bunch of quacks
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Then you've probably never had back pain.
Frankly they can call themselves gods if they can fix that for me when it happens, because NHS doctors are useless at fixing back pain and they know it.
 
Evilsod said:
Shirley, you can't be serious!

Anyway i was under the impression actual medical doctors should use the term 'M.D.' after there names...

That or i'm making some giant assumptions after watching House M.D. :p
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Yeah except in the Uk many of the university qualifications are actually 'MB BCh' and not MD at all. MB being batchelor of medicine, most doctors who persist in hospital service on the road to consultancy then taking a masters as part of their consultancy training course.
 
D.P. said:
That is the fault of people making assumptions.

Medical doctors without a PhD should really use the term M.D., for medical doctor since they don't have a full doctorate. This would clear up confused.
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Erm no - most medics in the UK don't have an M.D.

FWIW an M.D. is also a doctorate

Anyway this isn't a thread about medics or holders of doctorates using the 'Dr' title.
 
shroomz said:
OP is wrong on so many levels.

1) You may not have back problems, but you ask anyone who does and they will be getting help from a chiropractor
2) I have never heard of a chiropractor using Dr. as their salutation, therefore the person will most likely have a PhD or D.Phil
3) No one who is not an M.D. will put their hand up like a kindergarden child screaming MEMEMEME! when someone is having a heart attack on an aeroplane, including PhD's and D.Phil's
4) Medical doctors are given the Dr title because of the course and because in the past, they will almost certainly have had a PhD. Now, they are still given the title because of the length and difficulty of the course.

EDIT - I see everything I have said has already been said :)
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1) Not everyone with back pain sees a Chiro and there isn't anything to suggest they'd be any better than a physio
2)That is the subject of this thread and no the person didn't have a PhD - I'd suspect very few Chiros have PhDs
3)Aside from lots of British doctors who often don't have MDs
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4)The last bit is wrong - PhDs were much rarer in the past.


erm rather ironic that you're accusing me of being wrong then just go on to state a list of wrong things.
 
frosty03 said:
Therein lies the nub. These "upgrades" are nice, but the "price" they come with is that if the need arises, the doctor would step up and help. Most would in any case, but being treated nicely does help. Most people(that i know) who offer the upgrades, also think they are giving it to a medically qualified doctor (maybe incorrectly?).

OTOH, you have chiros etc etc taking advantage of the presumptions, yet can offer nothing in return should the need arise.

I cant see how anybody can morally take advantage of this fact, although technically they are "right", and it is the staff/crew who are "wrong" in making presumptions/assumptions. The next time a phD doctor is offered an upgrade or some other "perk", I do hope they would at the same time point out they are not medically trained. If so, then i would say fair is fair.

I for one always ask when confronted by a "Dr", you'd be surprised how often they only have phDs, and then go all red. I wonder why...... since they are technically "right"....
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I don't get your point at all. The offers and upgrades are offered from the fact that you have studied enough to earn the title.

As an example, I have booked several flights recently and the title options included Mr, Dr and also Dr Prof., quite clearly aimed at letting people with PhDs or full professors selecting their appropriate title.

Earning a PhD is a lot more demanding and takes a lot longer studying than becoming a medical doctor for the most part (in most of the developed world, a medical doctor involves 5-6 years of undergraduate training and 1-2 years of supervised practitioning, a PhD on the other hand involves 4 years of undergraduate, 2 years of Masters and 5-6 years of doctoral studies (the Uk aside, but academia in the Uk is a joke)).
 
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I know its very very sad but almost all of my friends are Medical doctors and I don't think I have heard a single one refers to them self as Dr outside the hospital.

Yes I do see the irony of me username.
 
Dr House said:
I know its very very sad but almost all of my friends are Medical doctors and I don't think I have heard a single one refers to them self as Dr outside the hospital.
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Odd - most I know always do. I berate them for not being "proper" doctors all the time.

As a tangent, one of my friends with a PhD was told he couldn't use his title in a medical setting during his Medical degree training. Obvious reasons as to why!
 
Dr House said:
I know its very very sad but almost all of my friends are Medical doctors and I don't think I have heard a single one refers to them self as Dr outside the hospital.

Yes I do see the irony of me username.
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My step brother always refers to himself as Dr.......even though at work he is a Mr......:confused:
 
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